40K RUMORS: CSM Minis & Changes

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Rumormongers are talking BIG Chaos Space Marines updates! Here’s the latest on the 4 Ruinous Powers:

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via Squiggly (DISQUS) 8-24-2016

Tzeentch and Khorne will front the CSM revamp.

The release pattern for CSM should be similar to that of Age of Sigmar, a move away from Chaos Undivided and focusing on what really makes Chaos distinct. Ie; The 4 Gods.

The Cults will be expanded to the point they can form their own mini codexes with the Traitor Primarchs at their head.

“We heard you liked your Rubics with guns, so we gave them swords instead.”

Magnus and Angron will be the first Traitor Primarch releases.

That doesn’t mean you won’t see some Undivided releases. You will, it is a full revamp of the range afterall. Just that releases will be themed ala Age of Sigmar stuff has.

2017 will be good for 40k Khorne players.

Infact alot of what the 2nd 40k End Times book is about, is Abbadon unleashing Kharn on the Imperium.

Chill your beans, you’re getting new Rubics of several different varieties soon.

 

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There’s no timeframe on this, but rumors since January have been pointing to Autumn for CSM releases & updates.

via Mauler 6-9-2016 (DISQUS)

 “I bumped into an old mate last night who had a chap with him who I’d not met before. He said that he knew people working at GW, said that they were working on Warzone: Fenris pt2 at the moment and showed me two grainy photos.

I assume that the delay in pt2 is down to the models involved as one pic was of Thousand Sons in ornate armour that I’d not seen before and the other pic was of a daemonic Magnus. Hard to make out details on him from memory but there was a fair bit of blue & red on him and I vaguely remember something like blue pinions outstretched from his back but I’m not sure if they were wings. Clearly a departure from a Primarch Magnus from FW.

And a plastic Magnus from GW was the last thing I expected to see. It looked legit, but I don’t know the chap, so…”

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Daemon Magnus (EPIC) circa 1990s

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~ I REALLY want a plastic Daemon Magnus!

  • Michael Buttercrumbe

    Slaanesh will be replaced by a rodent?

    • Karru

      Nah, just forgotten in the underbelly of lore. If we get lucky we might see a footnote mention of him/her in the next Eldar book!

    • Nathaniel Wright

      Nop. Word is that Slaanesh will be given rules but production will shift more towards Forgeworld goods (for Demons at least). Noise Marines will remain GW’s representation of She Who Thirsts.

      • Karru

        Wouldn’t surprise me in any possible way. They cannot “kill” Slaanesh completely thanks to Horus Heresy and the entire thing with the Eldar, but they sure can write him off from the current lore. Simple explanation, Slaanesh gets weakened by the Eldar, she/he loses control over vast majority of her/his minions, but some remain. This way she/he is not gone and still can justify having armies and getting included in the books, but no need to make new models since she/he is “weak” and cannot control or manifest new forces for her/himself. Also wouldn’t really affect mortal forces and would allow them to make Noise Marines less Slaaneshy and just Emperor’s Children.

        • Nathaniel Wright

          But N’Kari is already said to be joining in the fight, as long as a full Keeper of Secrets kit to make variants.

          Becoming Forgeworld means higher quality with more artistic freedom, while maintaining their position on the board. I’m sure they won’t get rid of the plastic kits immediately, but I could see them slowly phasing them out as the Forgeworld designs are done. It’s a rumor, at least, and the guy I got it from has been pretty solid with other things I’ve asked him about.

          • Karru

            What Forge World Models are there in the official Games Workshop Codices? This is the part I’m more worried about. I can’t remember any Forge World made model that is in one of the Codices outside the Greater Daemons, but GW makes those as well (Not nearly as well, but still). This would mean you’d have to get an expensive Forge World book just to field them and in some cases even request a permission to field them by your opponent. (The worst, nigh apocalyptic scenario)

          • Nathaniel Wright

            But, fortunately, that isn’t an issue, is it? They print the rules for the daemonettes from GW, allowing people who already bought GW daemonettes to continue playing with them. The Forgeworld ones are simply the ones that will be the ‘extreme’ versions.

            It’s a fair concern, but I really don’t think it would be that much of an issue if they haven’t removed Slaanesh already. Hell, I’m a pretty big fan of what they gave Slaanesh in Curse of the Wulven. If they didn’t want to print rules post-AoS, they would have stopped.

          • Karru

            I don’t see Forge World making new daemonettes. I can clearly see them making new units for Slaanesh and maybe conversion bits for Noise Marines but that’s it. There lies the problem, as it will most likely result in the new units that Slaanesh would get that end up in a Big Book that gets updated every few hundred years. And while this goes on, the remaining three gets more and more support from Games Workshop and then Slaanesh gets even smaller role.

          • Nathaniel Wright

            Eh, I’m sure they’ll figure something out. If they’ve been ‘trying to kill Slaanesh for the last twenty years’ and still haven’t, they probably won’t.

        • Benjamin E

          The only way I would be ‘happy’ or ‘at least tolerate’ the writing-off with Slaenesh would be an Eldar campaign/story series where they not only wake Ynnead, the Eldar God of the Dead, but reunite every shard of Khaela Mensha Khaine and rebirth him, too. They’d team up with Cegorach and go on to rofl-stomp Slaenesh, perhaps. Or, and I like this far more, they would go to war with Nurgle himself and rescue the only other surviving Eldar deity, Isha

          • Karru

            Again, as far as I know, no one outside of Nurgle knows that Isha is alive. Why would they go and try to save her?

          • Nathaniel Wright

            Nah, the Farseers are aware. They tried to go to Nurgle’s Domain to save her and… Well… Turned into trees for their efforts.

          • Karru

            When did this happen? Black Library book? I really only read GW codex lore since I believe that to be the only one that is “canon” since they barely include any of the BL stuff in the codices.

          • Nathaniel Wright

            It’s either in the Iyanden Codex or the 6th Edition codex. Or maybe it was Chaos Daemons… I just know I read it.

          • DarkSeren1ty

            its in chaos daemons 6th dex garden of nurgle fluff section

          • Darth Bumbles

            I seem to recall something from one of the Eldar codices too

        • Golden Yak

          With Ynnead waking up, and also the prophecy that Slaanesh will be ‘tricked’ into aiding the Eldar, I wonder if something will happen with Slaanesh being absorbed/merged with Ynnead (who is also composed of Eldar soulstuff like Slaanesh), and ‘rebooted’ as a new more benign entity, at least for the Eldar. Slaanesh ‘sheds’ the more depraved elements of themself (which remain as the existing Slaaneshi daemons) and takes on a new form. Maybe even becomes the new head of a revived Eldar pantheon, which would seriously disrupt the balance of power in the 40k galaxy.

          This could dovetail with whatever is going on in Age of Sigmar, where Slaanesh is missing and presumed under the heel of the new aelven deities. Whatever happens to Slaanesh in one setting can be reflected to affect them in the other.

          • Charon

            I guess the “aid” will have more to do with saving Isha.
            Slaanesh thinks he has consumed all Eldar gods and that they are rightfully hers.
            I guess she could be tricked into invading Nurgles realm in an attempt to consume her. That would leave both gods weakened while Harlies could attempt to rescue the goddess.
            And while the gaze of Slaanes is focussed on the pesky harlies and Cegorach, the newly awakened Ynnead could stab her in the back (this is basically what happens in the Dance without and which tells the tale of the eldar and is getting longer and longer)

          • Golden Yak

            Could be part of it – Isha’s counterpart in Warhammer Fantasy (I forget her name) was rescued as one small part of events. I doubt it will be the sole focus of things, but it might be a significant element. Certainly if Ynnead’s rise marks the rise of a new Eldar Pantheon, liberating Isha and having her join would be critical.

    • Xodis

      I expect Slaanesh will return in full glory in some big event in both 40K and AoS. Probably new units on both sides and a couple that may fit in both universes.

      • Golden Yak

        I think it’s safe to say that whatever change Slaanesh undergoes in one setting will be reflected in the other. We’ve got Slaanesh missing, presumed scared in AoS, and in 40k some big Eldar stuff is building up with a new god that is sure to involve Slaanesh.

      • Darth Bumbles

        Yeah, I can see “The Return of Slaanesh” being the next Big Event after the rumoured 40k End Times and/or they finish the Horus Heresy novels.

    • Desmond Burke

      YES PLEASE

  • Karru

    Oh boy! I cannot wait for Khorne! I was worried they would scrap them since we haven’t seen anything for them in yea… Oh wait. That was Slaanesh wasn’t it?

    But seriously though, I’d be one happy heretic if they did something else besides Khorne. The fact that we are getting Rubric Marines is a nice thing but still, I’d like to see something Slaanesh related for a change. Also, I really don’t like the current way they are making Khorne for the Bloodbound in AoS. Yes, I get it that they are meant to have skulls on them, but the armour design should be a bit better. I’d like to see something more bulky and less ornate like they are now. Also would be nice too see less “full piece” skulls everywhere on them, like a Skull Shoulder or Knee pads. Now if they did Chaplain style Skull Helmets that had cool horns or World Eater type head thingies coming from them then heck yeah!

    It’s nice to see Chaos for change, Space Marines all day every day was getting slightly boring.

    • amaximus167

      Right, as someone that loves the World Eaters I am not sure how much I want to see the ‘rank and file’ aesthetic of AoS Khorne troops carry over into the look of 40k’s Khorne troops. The new Kharn has a few of those things, but he wasn’t overloaded. So, it seems like toss-up as to how new Zerks would look. I mean, it would be hard to look worse than the current plastics (not saying that the current plastics are awful, just dated,) but the Skullreapers prove that it is possible.

  • Xodis

    This sounds like wish listing, but I still hope its true lol. I dont think Khorne really needs the update as much, but Tzeentch is truly hurting and desperately needs one.

    • Karru

      Khorne only needs new Berzerkers, nothing more. All Cult Marines need an update and for me the top seat goes to Rubric and Noise Marines. Nurgle is easy as heck to make, they are beginners green stuff project so those guys can wait. Ultimately I’d like to see more Slaanesh since out of the four, he/she has the least new stuff that should get an update.

      • Xodis

        I think they can all benefit from some cult Terminators. As I mentioned above, I think Slaneesh will return in full glory in some big event for both systems.

        • Karru

          I have a feeling that we won’t be seeing “Cult Marine/Terminator” sets. Instead we will see something along the lines of Deathwatch, small upgrade sprue that contains maybe a few weapons, shoulder pads and 2-4 heads. That is something I really don’t want to see since it will remove so much of the individuality of the Cult Marines.

          Also, I will remain the extreme end of the pessimistic personality until I see anything Slaanesh getting released outside a Daemon Codex. For me, Slaanesh will remain in the same wire that the Sisters are barely standing on until we get something major for them. It can be a Campaign release that only focuses on them when it comes to Chaos Forces or a board game that gives them something nice like the Silver Tower did to Tzeentch.

          • Xodis

            I dont expect that at all. GW has showing some amazing progress in giving us MORE than what we need in a box. A year ago I would agree with you though.

          • Karru

            Except that the Deathwatch release was basically just a Kill Team box and everything else just has the small upgrade sprue in them. It wouldn’t surprise me in any way that they would do that again with CSM.

          • Xodis

            Except Deathwatch are just regular marines with a different shoulderpad mainly, all the different cults require many more pieces to make them unique.

          • Karru

            Until GW decides otherwise, you are correct.

          • Xodis

            While GW has, in the past, shown us they dont pay attention to fans, I hardly doubt they would damage one of their most successful lines by doing that. DW can be seen as milking the Space Marine fanbase, but converting CSM to Space Marines with a chaos sprue would be close to faction suicide.

          • Karru

            I was referring to the Cult Marines. Basically they make the a basic generic CSM squad thing that comes with “all” the tools needed to field them. Then, instead of making extremely cool Cult Marine kits with tons upon tons of character, they make an upgrade sprue that just gives them the slight appearance change needed.

            This might be the fate of Noise Marines and even possibly Rubrics. Khorne will most likely get their own skulltastic Bloodmurder kit.

          • Xodis

            Chaos Marines + a God sprue would be just as faction suicidal IMO.
            I expect all cult troops to get a full kit like we have seen with AoS new releases. Otherwise why pump out new kits at all since the older kits already fit this paradigm.

          • Karru

            Because GW wants to slowly kill off CSM and make everyone play Space Marines? Haven’t you been following the pattern with Chaos releases compared to Space Marines?

            I mean, when we got the Supplement Updated, SM got the Angels of Death supplement, which one do think got the better deal there?

          • Xodis

            Its nothing new to see SMs get all the new cool stuff while everyone else just kinda gets the shaft, again though thats GW following the dollar. They have to stay in business while still providing new options to grow the business, its a catch 22 really.

          • Wayne Molina

            I think they could do that without pushing Marines above all else. It would be one thing if the setting was still the Heresy or some future version where there’s a civil war and Marine fights Marine frequently.

            What makes it so funny is they push the “narrative” and story for battles, but push a force that in game has a very low chance of ever fighting itself or any variety of itself.

          • Xodis

            “has a very low chance of ever fighting itself or any variety of itself.” Almost every novel outside of the HH still has SM’s at odds with one another. Hell if they sneeze the wrong direction they can start a brand new heresy hunt lol.

            Eldar and Tau have shown GW that there is a market for Xenos, hopefully a good CSM release with get the Chaos ball rolling and SM’s can become a minority even with all their Dex’s.

          • nurglitch

            I’d like to see new CSM just like the old ones but on a modern sprue with a modern density of bits, and nice, sharp detail.

          • Karru

            That is what I like to call a “Tactical Treatment”. Basically do what they did with the Tac Squad. Smooth and clean detail without changing the base design and more weapon options in the kit.

          • Ebsolom

            Agree totally. It takes a lot of work to get the current models looking half decent.

        • Karru

          Also, I really don’t think that Cult Terminators are that needed. If I had to choose between new plastic Cult Marines or Cult Terminators, I’d take Marines every single time.

          • Xodis

            Depends. If its just a resculpting of the same generic cult marines then I will pass and take some generic cult Terminators, if its different types of cult marines count me in.

          • Karru

            I really hope we will see actual kits and not just upgrade sprues.

        • Charon

          Only if they come with good rules.
          Let us be honest here. New Zerkers or Rubrics may be nice, but sadly if they stay as bad as they are atm there is no reason to buy multiples of them.

          • Xodis

            Eh, there is always hope with FW and the Horus Heresy lol

          • Xodis

            Or CSM players what we always do and grab another ‘Dex and play proxy with amazing models and the amazing rules of someone else hehe

          • shiwan

            I know no gamers that are good enough liars to convince themselves that they are playing some other army than what their codex says.

          • Xodis

            Ive seen most of the more unique (term used loosely) SM army rules used as CSM army rules for playability. Never seen TAU, Eldar or something like that though lol

          • shiwan

            Still, they were playing marines, not CSM.

          • Xodis

            Yeah, but they got to see CSM models kick tail like CSM should kick tail.

          • shiwan

            Like I said, I do not know people who can lie to themselves that well.

          • Xodis

            Not really lying, just a simple way to fix what GW hasnt. CSM should be awesome, and until a codex comes out that matches their fluff, you do what you can to simulate the fluff of being an actual threat.

          • shiwan

            Playing marines with “wrong” models does not fix CSM….

          • Xodis

            Playing CSM with rules that fit them do however.

          • shiwan

            Using CSM models to represent loyalist marines.

            You play the codex faction using models you want. You do not play the the model faction using the codex you want.

          • Xodis

            Well the rules may make the army for you, but for others the rules are secondary to whats on the table.

          • shiwan

            Rules are honestly secondary to me too, but the source for those rules is not.

          • Xodis

            So the cover/name on the Codex makes that big of a difference? Again, if the CSM codex doesn’t have the flavor a player wants, there is nothing wrong with using different rules to properly represent models. Yes its a failure on GWs part that its even necessary, but Berzerkers on Juggernauts are an amazing idea and if GW can’t support it, then its great that players are smart enough to figure out a way to do it.

          • shiwan

            To me, yes, because that defines the army that is in play. Models are just representing individual units or parts of them.

            I’m not judging. I’m just calling it as it is.

          • Xodis

            Im not either, I just disagree. The rules could be used with legos (ironically they have), coins, or little stick figures in all honesty. Its the models on the table that really make the game, otherwise why spend so much on them in the first place when we could buy much cheaper models?

          • shiwan

            True, visuals make the immersion easier which is why to me codex SW brings SW to the table and the models either enhance that or undermine it depending on how fitting they are to the unots description.

          • Xodis

            Yeah, its why I mentioned no one ever doing it with TAU or Eldar, some combos would seem weird, while some seem perfectly natural and even reflect CSM rules of the “old days”.

          • shiwan

            SW is still SW even if the model is something else.

          • Xodis

            See, again, I feel the opposite. CSM is still CSM, even if the rules are something else. I mean in the end, the rules are just there for the models according to GW anyways lol.

          • shiwan

            I get you and don’t really disagree. Still, there are no rules for jugger riding marines in 40k.

          • Xodis

            I know right? There should be though, we have Khorne CSM Lords riding Juggs, we have Bloodletters riding Juggs and we have zerkers riding a Defiler even lol. Im pretty sure a Zerker on a Jugg could take a TW Cav but it makes for a great proxy anyways.

          • shiwan

            Exactly.

      • Niklas Persson

        I’m personally expecting berzerkers riding bloodcrushers within a the next two years. If rumours are to be believed, there’s new berzerkers in the pipeline and juggernaughts are already available in plastic, so GW’s 3d sculpters could probably reuse a lot of assets to create a new unit.

        • Strategery_said_the_dumb_ape

          that… actually makes a lot of sense.

      • shiwan

        Khorne manines need a huge point reduction, something close to 50%. That is if they are to be used. Otherwise new kits are just a waste of time.

        • Karru

          Or some sort of ability to charge straight out of reserve. This is the only way any CC unit is useful these days outside of Thunderwolves.

          • shiwan

            Outside deathstars. But yeah, that is true.

    • Bryan Ruhe

      Bring on the Tzeentch.

  • Deacon Ix

    The move away from undivided concerns me as a Word Bearer player – I hope at the very least we get legion specific rules

    • Severius_Tolluck

      Well, they may go the route of Codex Space marine and do the chapter traits thing and just have bits in the boxes to make generic cults.

      • Karru

        I hope for something like the Angels of Death book for the base CSM book. So many options and flavour. We still have to keep in mind that it is the GW policy to make CSM even less interesting and competitive than the last edition so I will not get my hopes up.

    • rtheom

      This saddens me greatly as an Iron Warrior too. Khorne has no place amongst my machines. 🙁

      • Wayne Molina

        Well there was that one dude in Storm of Iron that was full of rage and anger and a Berserker, but yeah.

        • rtheom

          Yeah, and I think there’s an entire subdivision of the Iron Warriors that’s devoted to Khorne too in the lore, but my IWs are purists. :p

  • WellSpokenMan

    It would be nice to see something other than Khorne for CSM. Even if that means more Khorne as well. Not going to get my hopes up though. Salt for the salt god .

  • Mike Salamandrin

    So possibly a dual kit for beserkers and rubrics to split them into two new units, Karn, and new sorcerers? Here’s hoping they throw in some God specific daemon engines

    • Karru

      How in the world would that work? More likely scenario is that they will release Kharn and Berzerkers as well as some other Khorne related stuff and then move on to Rubric Marines.

      • Xodis

        They could be released as opponents, which would be awesome and very fluffy. Would be an interesting twist from the normal SM vs something else norm.

      • Mike Salamandrin

        Welp, most kits released lately are able to make two different units for an army, so two different rubric marine units (which would fit the rumored shooty and swordy rubric marines) for the Tzeetch release and I would guess a dual kit of some kind for Korne; I didn’t mean the same kit 😉
        Plastic HQs are a given, so Tzeetch would get sorcerers and possibly Ariman. Karn and the two daemon primarchs are already stated, so the only thing I would spitball God specific daemon engines; because such things existed in the older fluff

        • Karru

          When you said dual kits for the two armies, I thought you meant a kit that made Khorne Marines or Rubric Marines. That is why I was confused.

          • Mike Salamandrin

            Hey it’s cool.

  • Wayne Molina

    All this means to me is they really don’t get what the appeal of Chaos is. It’s always been to play evil Space Marines, not the 4 gods (well, after Rogue Trader). This focus on the Big 4 is disheartening to say the least, since it means that Undivided gets the shaft. Unless we are going back to Slaves to Darkness/Lost and the Damned where all the legions are at least somewhat allied to a Ruinous Power.

    Khorne gets enough love as it is, more than it should. Slaanesh of course is that weird limbo where you want to show xir off, but can’t have mommy think Little Timmy’s game is some adult porn game so no boobworms and drug-fueled orgies; not sure what they will do with xir. Nurgle I hope for some love, because I’ve seriously considered them aside from the IMHO silly fluff where Nurgle is basically a diseased Santa Claus who wants to give everyone presents. Tzeentch has never appealed to me, not in looks, not in fluff, but I can appreciate that he has his cult following.

    What bothers me most of all though is the seeming return to RT-era fluff where there is no such thing as Chaos Undivided.

  • Pablo Lopez Ibañez

    GW, pls, don’t forget Perturabo and his Iron Warriors… pls

    • Wayne Molina

      IRON WITHIN. IRON WITHOUT.

      Wasn’t one of the previous BREAKING NEW RUMORS L@@K NOW posted here including The Lord of Iron as one of the Daemon Primarchs who would be showing up?

    • Karru

      Sorry, not nearly enough Blood, Skulls and Murder for GW.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      or the Alpha Legion or Word Bearers. These armies have just been paint schemes for too long. 🙁

  • ZeeLobby

    … 2017 will be a good year for 40K Khorne… yay… I guess… ugh… SO F-ing tired of Khorne…

    • Wayne Molina

      I mean, I like Khorne as much as the next guy. But it’s too much support and not nearly enough for the others.

      • ZeeLobby

        It just would have been cool if they were like “OK, we shoved Khorne down the throats of AoS, lets shove Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh down the throat of 40K’s AoSing”. Would have just been refreshing. Sure the khorne aesthetic is the most warlike, but he’s also the shallowest of gods…

        • Wayne Molina

          Khorne is cool, but it’s like they chose Khorne because it’s the easiest to design (hey just throw more skulls on it) and forgot the rest.

          Of course, I might also be bitter because I decided to NOT do Daemonkin because I felt Khorne was overdone…

          • nurglitch

            How would you design Tzeentch and Slaanesh?

          • Wayne Molina

            Tzeentch IMHO should focus on mutations/weirdness, almost Cthulhu-esque stuff, and magic/psychic powers. He’s the god of change after all, and mutations = change. So lots of weird spawn-like gribblies that defy all logic and sense, and are basically the insane works of a madman.

            Slaanesh is the toughest because the obvious is sex drugs and rock & roll, two of which aren’t very kid-friendly and causes Mommy to raise her eyebrows when she sees Lil’ Timmy looking at models with bare breasts. So I think the best approach for Slaanesh is to go with gluttony and pride and temptation, and skip the “Purple Pervert” stuff. Almost like the downfall of the Emperor’s Children. Slaanesh is the closest to our vision of Satan, after all. So he/she/it is the Temptor, who gives you what you want in exchange for your soul. Very Faustian. The problem is how do you expose that in design. Rich, opulent. Lots of rich, bright colors (not pastels). Devil horns, cloven feet, trappings of the Christian Satan. Regal looking design with faint demonic vestiges and the like to make it clear they are evil. Skip the boobworms and BDSM trappings and focus instead on greed, lust for power, and decadence without delving into X-rated stuff.

          • Zack Seiders

            Or focus on all the senses (don’t care if it is a nose demon in stead of a herm demon)

          • Advachiel

            Or emphasize the NOISE ( and specifically the art aspect. If anyone has played Layers of Fear you’ll find art can be quite terrifying).

          • kafkadreams

            I would like to see them focus less on ‘sexy’ Slaanesh and more on the excess, decadence, and ennui. Drugs, gambling, Religious Zealotry, Obsessiveness perfectionism, wasted eyed lunatics hell bent on a crash course for burnout. .
            Basically make them Hellraiser Cenobytes. It’s not like GW hasn’t ‘borrowed’ from movies before.

          • Karru

            Model wise I would do the following:

            Tzeentch, I’d go with basically what the Heresy Era Thousand Sons were, Egyptian inspired with curved weapons and runic symbols all over the armour. A mix between Grey Knights and Necrons basically. they could aso go with a “flaming armour”. Basically small flames coming between all the joints, cracks and eyes. The armour could be filled with multiple eyes of Tzeentch and grinning daemonic faces.

            Slaanesh, basically Sister style armouring. Form fitting but not Blood Angel Trademarked Power Armour Nipples, with lots of gold trims, iron studs and leather here and there. Also focus on more elegant weapon design like scimitar type blades. Sonic Weapons don’t really need to change that much as I think that those are still good looking, just make them plastic and better in detail.

        • Xodis

          I think by releasing Tzeentch alongside Khorne they can accurately judge how overplayed/successful Khorne is, or how “foaming at the mouth” the Tzeentch and possible other gods are. Seems like a good play.

          • ZeeLobby

            I’m TIRED of them only supporting armies that sell well though. I’m not coming back to a game that’s 80% 3 factions.

          • Wayne Molina

            Honestly for me one of the main reasons I was interested in Khorne was literally because I didn’t have to come up with some contrived reason for wanting to play a game against certain factions. I could justify facing anyone, even other Daemonkin armies (because BFTBG), without fear of it breaking the lore.

          • Xodis

            Business is business unfortunately. At least this way GW is testing the waters with those armies that have not been proven to be a good investment yet.

          • Horus84cmd

            I feel that that is one thing that is easily forgotten in this debate.

            I also feel that it is often the case that GW need to take time to re-design things that don’t sell to make them even more appealing and sellable. The catch 22 here though, is that that takes time and money. Passionate hobbyist being who they are don’t necessary have the patience to wait and begrudge that the money has to come in from other ranges and that often means them “getting more attention” ala Khorne etc…

          • Xodis

            I totally agree. Hopefully we see a surge in the new stuff (since everyone has been foaming at the mouth for it supposedly) and that will give GW a reason to redo all the other factions that are lacking.

          • ZeeLobby

            Because money is the laziest defense of lack of innovation.

          • ZeeLobby

            Business is business, but business does not have to be directly money driven. There are millions of companies that don’t make decisions based purely instant returns. IE, a free cafeteria might attract more application, which means a more diverse employee pool which means better product that means more sales.

            More relevant. A game with 10 factions equally supported will attract new players. You make this choice knowing you might not have an increase in sales this year, but you do it because it’ll help your game grow in the future. It’s just aggravating that GW takes almost no long-term risks, and even on the rare occasion that they do, AoS, they insert Space Marines in it as a safety net…

          • Xodis

            In the case of a publicly traded company it actually does. They have to follow the money, but they are allowed to try new things and experiment which is what we see here with Tzeentch.

            A Game with 10 factions equally supported may bring in more people, but if more money is made by fully supporting 3 factions and giving the other 7 just a slight boost, then its better to go with the second option.

          • ZeeLobby

            Better for them. Not better for us. It always shocks me when consumers side with a business. Sure they’re charging $200 more for that model, but I’ll just take it because business!

          • Xodis

            Im not siding with them, I just understand being between a rock and a hard place. If they dont put the money first then like classic TSR (The D&D creators) everything goes belly up. As for prices its either too expensive for me or its a price im willing to purchase at, no use in complaining over it, otherwise I would be banned from ever Lotus website ever since I can’t afford the Exige lol

          • ZeeLobby

            All true. I guess it is just my opinion that they need to do something to switch things up to avoid continually losing sales each year. Public out reach, PR, videos, etc. All that is great, but until they address the actual issues with their game systems, I just don’t see how they plan to do that. Like are they just banking on attracting people who are naive to the fact that half their factions haven’t seen anything interesting in a year, if not more?

          • Xodis

            Well we know a new edition of 40K is coming so that could be exactly what you are asking for. As for the Khorne/Tzeentch release combo, I think its a good move from GW releasing what sales and taking a risk with Tzeentch as well. Hopefully it sells well and we will see more “risky” releases, making it a win/win.

          • ZeeLobby

            I just hope it’s really Khorne and Tzeentch and not Khorne Khorne Khorne Khorne, oh and a pea of Tzeentch.

          • Xodis

            I totally agree, Khorne can take a backseat and let Tzeentch win some. Im hoping the Warhammer boardgame was a good idea of what type of Tzeentch monsters we can expect along with some new Rubrics 😀

          • BloodAngel

            This is true. Hopefully the new CEO and management look a couple of steps to the future with whatever they do. I am encouraged by what they have done so far and the grumblings coming out in the form or rumors. (Also, I don’t consider AOS to be a part of the new CEO or Management’s dossier, as that stuff had to have been in the works for a while, and definitely before the new CEO took over)

          • Hawt Dawg

            Shut up and get your Ultramarines today!

          • ZeeLobby

            Yes SIR!

          • BloodAngel

            New Noise Marines would be the Shiznit. I love me my Nurgle, What I really like is Tzench and the Egyptian inspired theme that came from the Thousand Sons. Even in the 41st M. That still is a carryover and the style is too cool. I hope they do each faction and do them in plastic, and do them well, but individually so you can make your traitor legion/renegade group any way you wish. I love having that 10,000 year old nod to the original legions.

          • Xodis

            I would love some new Noise Marines, but then Ill feel bad how hard I worked to get 2 full 10 man squads with Noise Blasters back when they were metal lol.

            Oh and by hard I mean how much I spent lol

          • shiwan

            Successful how? In sales numbers?

          • Xodis

            Its the only success that matters in business.

          • shiwan

            Not really if the fact is that the product could be a lot more succesful if it actually had a valid application instead of being one of the worst tools for the job.

    • Strategery.

      your tears only give khorne players more strength

  • Michael Buttercrumbe

    We’ll they are giving chaos the age of smegma treatment, so corn for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I just hope all the traitor legions get their due.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Age of Smegma haha!

  • Ryan Freivalds

    As truly happy as I am to hear of a legit Chaos Revamp instead of a half-ass band-aid in the form of a supplement, it irks me to no end that as a Death Guard player now building a noise marine army I’ll have to wait that much longer for them to get to either of my factions.

  • SupPupPup

    Lose Slaanesh and move Noise Marines into Tzeentch. Done.

    • RS TROUT

      Slaanesh is key to the fluff. Eldar fluff would be horrible without slaanesh. I know you are a huge smegmar fan and have to ask, is sex, drugs, and rock and roll too mature for you?

      • SupPupPup

        Considering I frequent orgies, I don’t think I’m squeamish.

        I just feel GW lacks the design skills to tackle the complex and delicate themes that Slaanesh represents.

        Also, what is it exactly about transphobic titty monsters that makes space elves who they are?

        The God that ate the Eldar does not seem to be the same Slaanesh we see on the table.

        • Andrew Webb

          The eldar created Slaanesh through mainly sexual excess….. that has been canon for about 30 years…..

    • Chad Underdonk

      But then where would I have to go for all my titty-monster needs?

      What’s that about Kingdom Death?
      Hmmmm…
      Oh.
      OH!
      OH MY!

  • generic eric

    Noise Marines would….rock.

    • Wayne Molina

      I see what you did there xD

  • SilentPony

    Are we STILL humoring these end time rumors? Look, GW may be filled with monkeys, but they know Age of Sigmar was not only a financially catastrophe, but utterly destroyed the entire Warhammer Fantasy fanbase. They lost a good portion of their fans to that ‘end times’.

    Thank God Betrayal at Calth saved their asses. But the idea they’re gonna pull an Age of Sigmar on 40k? Change up all the rules, add in Primarchs and Daemon Primarchs?

    Come on. That rumor has been kicking around since I started playing in the 90s. And yes, Forge World finally did it in 30k, but Forge World and GW proper have never seen eye-to-eye on anything. And remember the end times that was the 13th Black Crusade? That they the retconned because no one liked it?

    Might as well say they’re finally gonna’ reveal the two Lost Legions for all the reality 40k end times is.

    • SupPupPup

      I guess if they do go ahead and end times 40k, it will go someway to prove that despite its atrocious launch AoS may have been a marginal success.

    • TenDM

      Yeah it’s getting a bit much. Every week someone is guaranteeing an End Times announcement within two months and not only is it not happening but all Games Workshop’s moves post-Age of Sigmar indicate that it never will. They may not be doing everything perfectly but it really seems like Age of Sigmar was a wakeup call for them.
      Any time anything happens with the lore it’s read as ‘End Times Confirmed!’ even though almost every bit of 40k lore includes a ‘if this happens the universe will explode’ clause. I mean if a new Necron Codex came out next week people would insist the lore copied and pasted from the previous edition is confirmation that the Necron are waking and it’s the End Times.

      It’s funny though, Age of Sigmar created a real world fanatical end of days cult. At this rate a new Chaos God will be born from all the fear of a reboot. =P

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        it seems obvious that the fluff in the new Deathwatch/Eldar box and the Fenris books are both part of a bigger scheme to move the timeline forwards.

        • TenDM

          But how does that translate to an End Times event? Moving the timeline forward is just how things are meant to work. It seems crazy to me that people draw the conclusion that GW is about to flush 40k because the store moved forward one page.

          • Karru

            40k End Times does not equal Fantasy End Times.

            The most likely scenario I’m seeing coming is the one where the story moves to the point where the war is at its peak. Imperium is still fighting with everything it has, Eye of Terror is almost emptied, Tyranids come in force while the Silent King unites the dynasties to face the threat, Eldar do what they do best, **** around, Orks start the Ragnaork and Tau starts spreading the Greater Good in greater force or just defend their own territories. At that point there is no place in the galaxy that knows peace. The Stage is set, the players write script and the models are the actors. GW is free to do whatever crazy things they want from Primarchs to Gork/Mork since the End Times are now here. There is no need to reach the end like they did with Fantasy. They can stop it at the high point and just say “Now it is up to you, player, to decide the end. Is the galaxy consumed by the Great Devourer? Will the Tau unite the ruins of the Imperium under the banner of the Greater Good? Will Chaos finally rule unopposed? The galaxy is in war and is ripe for the taking, will the bravery of the Imperium hold or will it crumble under relentless assault?”

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            the timeline has been essentially static for 30 years. Any movement forward is incredibly radical, and worrying given how GW have handled things recently.

  • BloodAngel

    I am waiting patiently for new vanilla CMS models. I think that is one that it is high time they re-sculpted. The models are really dated. That said, I kept my regular Vanilla CSM’s mixed with converted SM’s Marines converted to plague marines because, as cool as they could do for Nurgle aligned marines, the less spiky and more rounded the aesthetic is, I think the more “Nurgle-y” they are. Like sharp menacing looking vision slits on evil marines look… evil and all, the perfectly round, blank look from right out of a WWI gas mask, is more creepy to me and more “diseased” if you will.

    The same reason I find zombies to be terrifying on an whole different level than serial killers. Both will kill you, but the zombies are like a force of nature, no thought, all instinct. The round eye pieces, no real expression, and a total lack of anything really resembling conscious thought or agenda, other than mindlessly trying to spread and multiply feels much more sinister for Nurgle than using some spiky, evil, yelling slashing bad boy.

  • Darth Bumbles

    So “End Times” is a “done deal” is it? Or is still just speculation/wishful thinking?

  • Jeremy Larson

    Can we please not see any more Corn for a couple of years?

  • shiwan

    Yay, more “here’s a 20p marine with a pistol that could be mediocre in melee but will never get there alive” CSM.

  • Agent OfBolas

    GIB ME NEW CSM CODEX! I don’t need another versions of Crimson Slaughter crap books, I want new CSM book.

    • shiwan

      Oh, you mean like all the cool things CSM actually has but GW refuses to make? Legions and such?

      Nah. No dice on that. But hey, we get a copy of the present codex, but worse! How cool is that?!?!

  • Rainthezangoose

    I used to love khorne now i despise the entire line of models, over played to death. Still I’m still part of the bitter group that was expecting plastic cult troops for everyone when zerks got plastic. What has it been now? Slannesh was always my favorite god too, I mean they normally got the short end of the stick with rules but this is an entirely different situation.

    Also saying next year will be a good year for Khorne is kinda like saying tomorrow is going to be a good day for white middle class straight people XD

  • orionburn

    Yep. The new CSM stuff will come out right after those Q1 Tyranids get released…

  • Timotheus

    I took a break from the rumour mill several weeks but is 40k END TIMES really a thing now???

    Then I guess GW doesn’t want my money anymore…