10 Things You Didn’t Know About CSM Villains

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Admit it – the Chaos Marines have the greatest villains in the Grimdark – but they all have secrets buried in the depths of time!

 

OK here’s the deal. Score 1 point for each of these you know, and list your score in the comments:

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Kharn: Now a paragon of bloody violence, Kharn once held deep loyalty to his fellow warriors. During the Heresy, Kharn cut off Erebus‘ hand and came moments from killing him in gladitorial combat to avenge the murder of his friend Argel Tal.

Fabius Bile: The mad butcher of the Chaos Marines was once the Chief Apothacary of the Emperor’s Children.  Post Heresy, he cloned a full set of 20 horribly mutated Primarchs – before they were put to the torch by Abaddon.

Ahzek Ahriman: Was born on Terra, among the wealthy tribes of the Achaemenid Empire along with his twin brother Ohrmuzd who was killed by a Thousand Sons geneseed flaw early in the Great Crusade.

Ezekyle Abaddon: Recently earned the favor of Mortarion by acquiring the Chaos artifact known as the Hand of Darkness, which the Lord of the Death Guard sought to use to craft a Zombie Plague.

Typhus: Born Calas Typhon on the Death Guard’s eventual homeworld of Barbarus, he was a latent but self-suppressed psyker who possessed the blood of the warlords that had ruled the planet before being defeated by Mortarion.

Lucius the Eternal: Was never bested in swordplay; the only duel he is known to have lost was against Captain Garviel Loken of the Luna Wolves, who brought him down with a punch.

Jago Sevatarion: First Captain of the Night Lords was the first to utter the phrase “Death to the False Emperor“, a rally cry which would be used by the forces of Chaos for millennia to come.

Lufgt Huron, aka Huron Blackheart: Was once a loyal Space Marine Chapter Master. He is accompanied  by a semi-intelligent creature of unknown nature, which he calls his Hamadrya – which allows him to manifest psychic powers.

Honsou: Iron Warriors Warsmith. Honsou’s gene-seed originated from “Honourable” Soulaka, an Iron Warriors Apothecary who was murdered during the Horus Heresy by Fabius Bile, who was then responsible for melding Soulaka’s gene-seed with that of an Imperial Fist, likely Captain Felix Cassander.

Erebus: First Chaplain of the Word Bearers is directly responsible for the Horus Heresy. Erebus refers to himself as the Hand of Destiny, the mortal instrument of the plans of the Ruinous Powers.

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~How many did you know?

  • Gabe

    Lucius was killed by Nykona Sharrowkyn in “Angel Ecterminatus” before Bile brought him back though

    • Varou

      by duel ? i thought Sharrowkyn shot lucius dead.

      • MPSwift

        Nah, runs him through with his swords IIRC

      • Gabe

        Shot Fulgrim, stabbed Lucius’ hearts in a fight

      • Raffazza

        Took him down like a boss
        (i think thats the term…)

        • NihlusX

          Sharrowkyn’s fast becoming one of my Favorite HH characters

          • Shawn

            Ohhh, I know him. I thought they were an isolated team he and Sabik. I’ve only read “Kryptos” I’ve been meaning to read “Angel Exterminatus.” Now that I know two of my favorite characters are in it. I’ll have to make it a priority.

      • plasticvicar

        Sharrowskyn didnt just stab Lucius, he jammed both his swords into both his hearts, one through the chest and another down the collarbone in one of the most awesome wrenching sword kills in the series.

        Lucius was DEAD, until he was mysteriously woken up in Bile’s lab just in time to save Bile from being killed by one of his ‘experiments’ that broke free. When asked whether Bile brought him back, Bile was just as surprised as Lucius at his resurrection as he was going to be dissected.

    • MPSwift

      Beat me to it 😀

    • sethmo

      I am VERY interested to see what happens with Nykona, that dude is a beast.

      He’s fought two Primarchs now and lived? Ridiculous…..

      • Darth Bumbles

        Technically be shot one in the head and ran away and was let live by the other because .. well it was Alpharius, he probably had a dozen reasons all of thrm devious and half probably contradictory to the other half.

  • Old zogwort

    Things you didn’t know.

    1# Kharn has a new model and it is showed on warhammer TV faceook

    • somewhatdamaged

      Not quite; there’s already an article about it several down from this one on the front page

  • Christie Bryden

    its true, they do have the most interesting and deep characters, which is one of the reason the codex and focus on legions always seems like a slap in the face.

    • wibbling

      The codex is fine. Are you trying to play it as if it were the previous one?

      • mike

        It’s got nothing to do with playing it like the previous one. He wasn’t having a dig at the playability of the codex, more that one mediocre set of rules and a supplement is supposed to cover legions which have more interesting characters and just as much fluff as their loyalist counterparts. Who have like 9+ (?) books if you’re counting supplements?

        • Christie Bryden

          aye, a iron warriors army and a thousand sons army should be VASTLY more different than ANY Space marine chapter that uses the codex astartes, and yet dark angels get there own book, blood angels get there own book.

          • Guido Hockmann

            That’s true. However, what they are trying to get across is that in 40K, 10,000 years after the Horus Heresy, the traitor legions no longer exist as such. They have mostly broken up into warbands with constantly shifting membership and tactics. The few small knots of traitor legionnaires who are clinging to the tenets of their original legions are likely scattered and isolated and likely unable to mount a significant military campaign on their own. Their contribution to the chaos marine war effort usually takes the form of small specialist units operating within a larger force. A squad of Havocs plays VASTLY different than a squad of Rubric marines led by a Sorcerer, which plays differently than a unit of Raptors or Berserkers, etc.

          • Christie Bryden

            which has widly been accepted as a mistake as since they made that decision CSM have sucked, if you look at the codexes we had one of the best ones ever, then they focused on warbands and renageds and we have had terrible codexs since. Going back to a focus on the legions would open up so many ideas, think about what the dark machanicus has been up to in 10000 years without the degredation of the rest of the impirium, it seems odd that a group that recently turned to chaos has the same level of gear as those of the legions, plus given the succsess of the horus herecy books and those books based on the CSM characters that it feels lack luster not to play as them and instead just a book more focused on a group of space marines that recenly decided to turn to chaos.

      • Christie Bryden

        so your saying that the codex that all competative builds have use as little from this book as possible, is fine? and completly fails to capture the feel of the legions, and even then was nerfed.

      • eehaze

        Codex is fine only if you don’t compare its point costs to other codices.

  • The_Illusionist

    I’m not sure that the references to Fabius Bile are correct. It says that he cloned all 20 Primarchs, but I’ve read The Talon of Horus several times; he couldn’t possibly have managed it with the Missing Two, and apart from Ferrus Mannus only the Traitor Primarchs are ever mentioned. So he does 10 of them, at best – I’m happy to be corrected, if anyone can provide sources.

    • JPMcMillen

      The universe is a big place. Even if all records of the missing two were expunged, there’s no telling if any other traces of them were left behind (i.e. DNA). Possibly in the hands of someone who might want to study it.

    • Charon

      DNA from both lost primarchs is most probably still present as their legions have not been fully eradicated but (as post heresy too) absorbed by other legions. So their geneseed my still be around even at the present date.

    • MPSwift

      Think it was linked to the rebuilding of the Raven Guard during the Heresy. They were given the original genomes of the 20 primarchs to use in order to rebuild their legion more rapidly. Omegon then led a strike team to steal and corrupt this research and the Alpha Legion gave the primarch genetic material to Fabius at a later date which would have given him access to all 20.

      • somewhatdamaged

        the AL gave incomplete data to Fabius, so still up in the air whether he would have been able to create all of them

        • MPSwift

          My understanding was that it was corrupted but it was a complete set with the AL keeping a set for themselves?

          • somewhatdamaged

            Yep correct, but Fabius never got the whole set as it was corrupted like you mentioned. The AL are the only ones that had the data for all 20 and they don’t like sharing things 😛

          • MPSwift

            Ah I misunderstood, thought you were saying they didn’t get all 20 genetics. My bad 🙂

  • Mark ADAM Abramowicz

    Loken actually head-butted Lucious.

    • Countdiscount

      I though Loken swept the leg

      • palaeomerus

        That was Johnnie and he got Crane kicked. No can defense.

  • shiwan

    Things you need to know about CSM villains:

    1: None of them have worth on the table.
    2: If you uttered the words “but they are cool” you did not understand the #1.

    • Azhrarn

      Sevetar is pretty good, but he is a Horus Heresy character, rather than a CSM one.

      • shiwan

        Loads of things are nice in 30k while sucking in 40k. Almost identical rules, totally different meta.

    • Djbz

      Abbadon and Kharn are both really powerful, and are both capable of tearing an imperial Knight apart before it can attack.
      The problem is getting them there as Chaos only have the worst Land Raider variant as an assault transport

      • nurglitch

        You mean the best, as it can take a dozer blade and it’s cheaper.

        • Djbz

          Lowest transport capacity,
          worst weapon loadout
          no machine spirit.

          Dozer blades are mostly irrelevant. (I’ve never needed one with a land raider before)

          • nurglitch

            Same transport capacity and weapon load out as the Space Marine LR. Machine Spirit is irrelevant when you’re going flat out or blowing smoke. Dozer Blade is a necessity on boards that aren’t planet bowling ball.

          • shiwan

            250p thing that does nothing more than moves and pukes out marines. That’s better than the exact same thing with an option to shoot?

          • nurglitch

            230pts, base. And obviously it can shoot, but it’s more reliable at getting the passengers where they need to go.

          • shiwan

            The CSM one can’t shoot. Not in any real sense anyway. Additionally it’s melta has 1 shot and half the range of the one marines get for the same points.

            I can not name anything in codex CSM that is reasonably transported in a LR. Nothing in there is worth the 230p of additional 6″ movement per turn.

      • shiwan

        Both are slow melee units in an army that has no viable transports or other means of delivery for them. The unit can be awesome but unless it gets to action it’s useless.

    • Deathwing

      I both agree and disagree completely with this.
      As a competitive player 1. is correct in most cases and most lists i have seen. The bang for the buck so to speak is just not there with the current iteration of these characters compared to other options.
      Note 2 however is complete horse crap from a person who could only utter that blasphemy by never having read any of the amazing backstory of any of these characters. They are amazingly badass in the books, the fluff, and are a blast to play in apocalypse or other non-competitive play (IE 70% + of all warhammer 40k/30k play)

      • shiwan

        I disagree. I started playing CSM when it forst was an option in the fluff. One does not play the faction couple of decades and skip the fluff.

        Besides, the point was that cool factor means nothing in game terms.

    • Christie Bryden

      there cool and have amazing lore and characterization IN THE NOVELS but in the game… nope, GW have ****** over chaos multible times, and seem unable to accept that the renegades over legions philosophy is the fault.

      • shiwan

        Well, in the end if these would be legions and still suck I don’t think peoples opinion about them would be much better.

  • Davis Centis

    I scored only 4 points; but that was about 3 more than I expected to get! I knew #2, #6, #8, and #10.

  • Azhrarn

    And a perfect 10, but that’s what you get for enjoying Horus Heresy and Black Library novels in general. 😀

    • Alistair Collins

      Then you haven’t read about a certain Ravenguard fighting Lucius…

      • Azhrarn

        Quite possibly. 😀

  • Deathwing

    The data on Lucy is a bit outdated. A certain Raven Guard in the service of the shattered legions does not approve.

    • nurglitch

      Raven Guard Battle-Brother Marty Stu?

  • ChubToad

    Erebus is still around?

    • nurglitch

      Him and Kor Phaeron. It’s in the Anthony Reynold’s Word Bearer novels. Apparently they’re passing the time by holding a covert civil war amongst the Word Bearers.

    • Darth Bumbles

      Which is a shame, I think just about everyone cheered when it looked like Khârne was about to render his skull to the Skull Thorne.

  • Raffazza

    That I honestly would have been able to answer if asked?
    Only 3 (including the incorrect Lucius one)…
    I am Ashamed…

  • An_Enemy

    No. Pretty sure Kharne killed Erebus. Iirc he put his chain axe through his face. Chaos just brought Erebus back.

    • Arthfael

      Nope, Erebus does magic himself away, at least if you are referring to the fight at the end of Betrayer.

  • Shawn

    I need know only one thing about Chaos Space Marines: Heretic. And all Heretics are purged with Bolter and Flame!

    On a serious note, there were only a couple I knew, and some of their history I didn’t even know. If I were to play a CSM army it would be a renegade chapter who followed Tzeentch and I would use the T-sons rules.

  • Alistair Collins

    Lucius the Eternal: Was never bested in swordplay; the only duel he is known to have lost was against Captain Garviel Loken of the Luna Wolves, who brought him down with a punch.

    Hmm – how about Sharrokyn. He bested Lucius in combat.

  • None of these are news to me. Heck, I’d have added more, less well known tidbits to most of them.