JAWSOME: The Space Sharks Hunt

 

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When the ultimate predators faces the galaxy’s most cold blooded murderers – it’s going to get good!

Ok, now before we wade into (see what I did there) this novel let’s talk about the Space Sharks and that topmost image.  Here’s my question:

If I told you that image was from the Heresy, what Legions would you think the marines were from?  

The guy in the back is clearly a Night Lord – no mystery there. The dude in front is wearing white armor, looks PISSED OFF and is wielding a chainaxe.  Hmmm…

Here’s some more intriguing notes on the Carcharodons via Lexicanum:

  • Much of the information surrounding its history is shrouded in myth or allegory, but fragmented pieces of data point to it already being in existence as early as late M32, during the Astropath Wars. One thing is for certain, however: that the Chapter was given a sacred duty to travel the empty spaces beyond the Imperium‘s borders, seemingly forever, to seek out and destroy the enemies of Mankind.
  • During the Badab War their dark legend would be sealed. The hidden fortresses of the Mantis Warriors were ransacked of supplies and war materiel, and a whole generation of the system’s young men were taken away to replace the losses the Chapter had incurred during the war, forced to fight each other to the death to see who would be worthy to join the Carcharodons’ ranks.
  • With that the Carcharodon fleet disappeared, apparently returning to the dark void above the galactic plane.
  • The Chapter’s armory was noted to consist mostly of old-style suits of Power Armor, particularly the Mark-V Heresy Pattern, and weaponry.

As my final bit of lore – it was noted that during the Heresy many Traitor Legions had loyalist elements who broke off and fought to extinction against their brothers or disappeared into the mists of history – their fates unknown.  Just saying…

Onto Red Title

A darkened prison, a pack of Night Lords and the Imperium’s most predatory Space Marines… What could go wrong?

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Carcharodons Red Tithe $15.99

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THE STORY
On the prison world of Zartak, darkness has fallen on arbitrators and inmates alike. The Night Lords have come, and with them the shadow of fear and pain. But they are not the only ones with an interest in Zartak. From the void, running on silent, another fleet emerges. Its warriors are grey-clad and white-faced, and their eyes are as black as the Outer Dark – the savage Carcharodon Astra. As these two packs of ancient, merciless predators stalk the shadows of the prison colony, both seeking a single young inmate with unnatural talents, the corridors run red, and both factions will have to fight tooth and claw to leave Zartak alive.

Written by Robbie MacNiven

 

~Where do you think the Carcharodons come from??

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  • gwensdad

    Robbie’s tumblr is great too.

  • Commissar Molotov

    Is this the guy who wrote about the Space Sharks having a 10,000 year old librarian?

    Dante is not amused!

    • Firemind

      Apparently they have jet bikes as well!

    • WindSplash

      People dictating what the space sharks should be “and their new generic name” are the reason of why Rick priestly is bashing the current state of 40k.

    • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

      Author more or less directly confirmed the guy’s had plenty of stasis naps.

  • Andrew Irwin

    If you listen to “The Long Night” audio book, Nightlords 1st captain Jago Sevatarion is being held captive by the Dark Angels on a ship. During the story Jago speaks with a young woman who is a member of the astropathic choir. During these conversations Jago laments about being mislead and thinking he was a force of justice. At one point the sharks of Nostromo are mentioned. The story ends with Jago escaping his cell and making his way to the Astropaths and killing the lead Astropath for beating and crippling the woman he was speaking with. As the story is closing Jago makes reference to the outer void and what lays beyond, for that is where man kinds greatest enemies lurk. I think that sometime after the heresy the loyal members of the traitor legions where gathered and judged to be true to the cause and given their own legions during the 2nd founding. At least this is what i have mathed out on my bedroom wall.

    • vlad78

      So you think space sharks are loyalist remnants of the night lords, I would have thought from the depiction they would share the geneseed of the world eaters, just like the sapce ravens might have the geneseed of the thousand sons.

      • SilentPony

        Actually the Nemisis Chapter are the descendents of an Ultramarines strike force known to operate with loyalist elements of the Night Lords.
        So if anyone is, it’s them.

    • WindSplash

      BL books are lame, self entitled and make the 40k universe smaller. Space sharks where meant to be your own thing according to the guy that created 40k.

      Also jaggo its a Gary Stu fagg that wants to be cooler and edgier than Szho Sahaal but that will always suck its boot.

  • Jesse Cavazos

    I thought they were pretty much confirmed as Raven Guard successors? Deathwatch (the RPG) remarks they have Raven Guard markers in their gene-seed and Horus Heresy 3 (FW) draws attention to the Pale Nomads, the predecessors to the Raven Guard who Corax found too destructive for his tastes. In fact the battle-barge Nicor, flagship of the Carcharadons, was a part of the Raven Guard fleet during the Heresy.

    • Andrew Irwin

      I read all the info in RPG books and the forgeworld IA9 i think it was. It says they have markers like the Ravenguard but their gene seed is pure unlike the Ravenguard. The Nightlords are known for having very pure gene seed even in modern times, If you would like to read all of the theories in one place go to the 1d4chan space sharks page. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Space_Sharks

      • Jesse Cavazos

        Yeah, I’ve read the article. Honestly the Night Lords theories just seemed like wishful thinking to me. Maybe the Red Tithe will give us more clues? One can only hope.

        • Andrew Irwin

          I hope so as well, i really want to see some love for the other than 1st founding chapters rule wise. If you get a chance check out that Audio Drama The Long Night, was what got me on team Night Lords for the Sharks.

    • Bulvi Nightbane

      They are Raven Guard successors, only rumored in the Badab books but confirmed in Deathwatch RPG and heavily hinted at the the FW Heresy books. The super pale skin and full black eyes are genetic traits unique to the Raven Guard and their successors. They have no conection to Deliverance though. They are descended from some of the Terran marines in the Raven Guard (this is why they are described as preferring to speak in High Gothic) and thus do not share the further gene-seed troubles the rest of the Raven Guard later developed. Before Corax was found, the early Raven Guard from Terra fought under Horus alongside the Luna Wolves and developed a more brutal and blood-thirsty way of war as a result. Many were also extremely loyal to Horus. Corax did not like either of these traits. When Horus foolishly ordered Corax to launch a frontal assault on a fortress (something the Raven Guard were not equipped for, plus the Space Wolves and Iron Warriors who were present would have been better at it anyway) Corax made sure it was the marines most loyal to Horus that led the attack and took the worst casualties. The rest of the Terrans he then dispatched to lead and assist the crusade fleets out beyond the borders of the Imperium. One of these groups joined Horus during the Heresy. Most went renegade upon hearing rumors of Corax dying at Istvaan V (the Ashen Claws are one of these groups and before leaving they destroy all the Night Lords fortresses and outposts in the Nostramo sector). A few remained loyal throughout, the Carcharadons are simply the last of these that has not either died out or chosen a home system. They were beyond the Imperium’s borders for thousands of years continuing to follow Corax’s orders.

      • Painjunky

        Very pale or white skin and jet black eyes are not traits unique to raven guard. Night lords have them too.

        • Bulvi Nightbane

          Night Lords from Nostramo often have pale skin and black flint like pupils, but not all Night Lords have these traits. The Raven Guard are all pale skinned and have solid black eyes because it is an issue with their gene seed. There is nothing wrong with Night Lords gene seed, in fact it is very stable. The Carcharadons match the Raven Guard appearance both in the Badab and the Deathwatch books.

          • Painjunky

            You have a source for that or are you just speculating?

          • Bulvi Nightbane

            The part from Deathwatch I quoted below. The rest is from the Forge World Horus Heresy books 2 and 3.

          • Painjunky

            I’ve never read anything about some night lords NOT having white skin and black eyes like their primarch. Have you?

          • Bulvi Nightbane

            Yes, and their skin is not white like the Raven Guard. Most Night Lords have a “deathly pallor” and better night vision but a vulnerability to very bright light. This is from both the recruits chosen for them on Terra and the people of Nostramo being used to very dark environments.

        • Bulvi Nightbane

          Nobody knows what Primarch’s gene-seed led to the creation of the Carcharodons. Opportunities to study the genetics involved have been exceedingly rare, and the Carcharodons themselves are singularly unhelpful in this regard. The only clues to their origin that the Deathwatch have are from a gene-seed extraction performed on a slain Battle-Brother, recovered from a massacre site. The body was purportedly from the Carcharodons. The Apothecary who performed the extraction later noted that the gene-seed seemed untainted, if subject to some long-term degradation. More interestingly, the gene-seed bore several markers reminiscent of the Raven Guard bloodline. These markers are uncommon, and a link to the Raven Guard would explain several other details about the Carcharodons as well. The appearance of all Carcharodons shares some singular details. They all have greyish, pale skin with an almost deathlike pallor. Some of the most venerable and ancient Carcharodons have liquid black eyes, without iris or sclera. Beyond this, however, there are no common genetypes amongst encountered Carcharodons. This suggests that the Carcharodons do recruit from a wide variety of sources, and that their skin colour and eye mutation is a result of their gene-seed. These traits are similar to some of the physical traits of the Raven Guard. However, even if the Chapter does count Corvax as their progenitor, millennia of genetic drift will have likely created distinct differences. —Quote from Deatwatch: Honour the Chapter.

      • WindSplash

        this sounds like fan fiction FROM Alan the Hack and neckbeard blight.

        • Bulvi Nightbane

          Funny. This is taken from a number of official sources, including the Forge World Horus Heresy series.

          • WindSplash

            Guess I was right. It is nothing more than fan fiction then.

            The guy who made 40k left them blank for us to make up our version of things. But these new hacks come around imposing their lack of creativity and making everything smaller and interconnected.

          • Bulvi Nightbane

            So you would never have them make any changes? Ok lets just go back to the very first release of Rogue Trader. Some races will no longer exist, like Tau and Necrons. Chaos is only a concept and has no armies. The Slaan and Squats are back. The poster boys for Space Marines are the Crimson Fists, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels. Most of the Chapter people now know and love do not exist. The Dark Angels wear black, the Space Wolves wear grey, Leman Russ is the only Primarch with a name and a model, etc. Adjustments and changes to the fluff have been a part of Warhammer 40k since before it was even called that. You are entitled to your opinion, but just because you don’t like something does not make it fan fiction. Personally I like how things are interconnected. It doesn’t make the 40k universe smaller, it makes things even more complex and fascinating.

    • WindSplash

      Such thing would be the complete anathema of what Rick Priestly wanted them to be.
      For me they are the sons of the second legion.

      • Bulvi Nightbane

        I will reveal to you the secret of the 2nd and 11th legions (this is not made up). In Rogue Trader fluff it was said that there were originally 20 space marine legions. GW thought they had described them all over the course of several years and various resources. During 2nd edition the fluff was compiled, cleaned, up and organized. In this process it was discovered that GW had only written background for 18 legions, they just accidentally forgot to get to the last 2. Rather than push back publishing dates and write up background for the 2 legions, GW went the simple and lazy route of just saying all info on those legions was redacted. The rest is now history.

  • TheWanderingJewels

    oooh…now this is one hell of a scrap in the making

  • Painjunky

    The night lords are also white skinned with jet black eyes. Just sayin.

    • wibbling

      They were pale, gaunt even, but never ‘white skinned’ and they have ‘night vision’, do you have a reference to their having black eyes?

      • SilentPony

        Curze, and Talos are frequently described as having ink black eyes or eyes as dark as flint.

      • Andrew Irwin

        Via Lexicanum-
        The geneseed of the Night Lords apparently remains surprisingly pure, especially for a legion that has turned from service to the Emperor. It has been theorised that the Night Lords’ avoidance of overt Chaos worship has spared their gene-seed from degradation[1], but even leaving this aside, the stability of it is notable even when compared to that of the loyalist First Founding Chapters.
        Having said that, Curze’s genetic legacy does have particular effects on those so altered. Firstly, all Night Lords sport jet black eyes and very pale skin (although quite how much of this comes from geneseed and how much from having a Nostraman background in those Night Lords from the doomed night-planet is unclear).

        • SilentPony

          Geneseed is really weird. It imparts part of the Primarch’s makeup onto the marine, ala Raven Guard skin or Wolf fangs, but also I guess samples part of the genetics of the marine himself and passes it down to the next generation.
          So you can get Salamanders Legionaries who were recruited from a nameless world, never visited Prometheus, so never were hit with the sun’s weird radiation, and yet still have onyx skin and blood red eyes, because the man with the geneseed before them did, and it was passed on.

          Likewise when they were the War Hounds the Legion were increasingly violent and hard to control, preferring head long charges over tactical approach.

      • Painjunky

        They are always described as very pale or white skinned and jet black eyes.

        I first read it in a very old white dwarf (that I still own) that had fluffy and effective rules for playing an army of night lords in 40k… imagine that!!!

  • SilentPony

    They’re Raven Guard Legion outcasts, a combination of Terran Veterans that Corax hated and Legionaries who fought alongside Horus and the Luna Wolves so long they’re tactics and temperate couldn’t gel with the new Raven Lord.

    Basically the mirror chapter of the Ashen Claws, if not the Claws themselves reconstituted into a Chapter and granted forgiveness for their Black Shield ways during the Heresy.
    Seriously guys. Its in the books. 80% of all the ‘mysteries’ are perfectly solvable if you just read all the codexes and ALL the novels. Its all in there.

    • euansmith

      “… if you just read all the codexes and ALL the novels.”

      For some of us, that is a sacrifice to great to make. For us, there is Lexicanum 😉

      • SilentPony

        Yeah, but where do you think Lexicanum comes from?
        Written more than my fair share of that site.

        • euansmith

          I salute your service. Thank you.

    • vlad78

      Do not underestimate the power of retcon.

      • SilentPony

        For sure. But hasn’t been retocned yet

    • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

      Personally, I’m rooting for them being based on a Ravenguard/World Eaters/Night Lords Shattered Legion force. Bonus would be that it doesn’t contradict any existing fluff detailing a Raven Guard origin.

  • Bredkooler

    Hmm, grey armor? Finally! A space marine chapter I could get painted in a decent time frame!

  • euansmith

    “… the galaxy’s most cold blooded murderers.”

    I think that there is quite a queue for that title.

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      line up the usual suspects!

  • Rafał Pytlak

    And thus the biggest badasses from Badab returns…

    Really hope that Tyberus will be in the book

    • Darth Bumbles

      IIRC Robbie said no Tyberus in this one, but if there are others he will turn up.

      • Rafał Pytlak

        Bummer dude.
        Still, would be cool if we had some nods to Badab.
        Also do we know when is this happening? Right before the 13th crusade? Date?

        • Firemind

          Robbie said that this book was before the badab war if my memory serves me correctly.

          • Rafał Pytlak

            Now that’s interesting.
            Badab supposedly was the fist sighting of Space Sharks in millenias, so the whole prison stuff must have happened with no…alive witnesses.

            Or at the end of the novel they intercept the vox about mutiny of Astral Claws and decide to join the fun

  • nurglitch

    Ravenguard

    • Painjunky

      Nightlords

      • nurglitch

        Ravenguard.

        • SilentPony

          Pinkie!

        • Painjunky

          Raven Lords

          • Fortnight

            Raven Guard, it’s in the books. Even have the same markings the early legion used on their armor. even the Raven Guard contemptor from forgeworld has the same tribal markings. The Space Sharks are 100% a 19th Legion derived force. The twists in the fluff may mean they have a little night lord geneseed in some marines, but it isn’t likely. either way, they are still legacy Terran Raven Guard. It just is the way it is.

          • OldHat

            Yup. The HH books and stuff make it pretty clear they are Raven Guard – outcasts of the Legion who Corax didn’t like and sent off to do their own thing in predation fleets.

    • WindSplash

      second legion, they where meant to be wathever you wanted them to be. This is what the guy who made them said.

    • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

      All three. Nothing stopping them being descendant from a mixed faction Shattered Legion force. (They’d probably use Ravenguard geneseed for tithes etc.)

    • DJ860

      Salamanders

  • Painjunky

    The sharks preferred tactics of silently moving into position undetected before attacking in an explosion of violence screams night lords.

    • Bulvi Nightbane

      It matches Raven Guard too.

  • The_Illusionist

    I really want to read about Carcharodons and the Night Lords…. but holy crap, the artwork on that book is hideous. Just LOOK at the anatomy of that guy!

    His left arm is foreshortened into a tiny little stub. His right forearm is half as long as his bicep. His hips are facing forward but his shoulders are rotated to 90 degrees as though he has no spine. His torso is nearly 5 times longer than his head (“Vitruvian Man” by Leonardo Da Vinci shows that it should be 2.5-3 times) He has teeny, tiny little child-like hands that are supposed to be thick with armoured gauntlets. He clearly can’t raise his arms above his head, which itself is so short and stunted that, were he wearing a helmet, his eyes wouldn’t reach the eye-holes. And he clearly can’t touch his own hands in front of his chest.

    I’m no professional artist, I freely admit, and I know that Astartes are supposed to be exaggerated representations of human beings…. but Christ on a bike, that artwork is BAD.

    • DJ860

      Agreed. BUT…have you considered the possibility that he was in a rush and is wearing his torso armour sideways?