Further revisions and clarifications of previous statements from the usual rumormongers regarding the upcoming Chaos Legions codex.
Well I wasn't going to post in this as I have decided to stay pretty much out of the rumours forum to be honest.
I just wanted to back up what some of the others have been saying, rumours are just that and should be treated as such.
I have a couple of very good contacts at GW HQ and they often mention things to me regarding future releases, but as Aaron said more often than not they heard it from X, who heard it from Y etc.
It's also the fact that GW work years in advance and things do change, so what may be true early on in development will not be true by time of release.
There's also the fact that people are only human and things do get misinterpreted once they hit the web, and also people just sometimes don't want to agree with you.
The problem I have found is that people do take it all a bit personally, and that's the reason I stopped posting in the rumours threads, as I had a bad experience on "another forum".
However I would say to Ghost keep posting, not everything will be right but that's why they're called rumours, and everybody will have an opinion.
And I would also like to say that I have met Aaron a couple of times at BL events, Games Day etc and he really is a top bloke. It is way too easy on the internet to misinterpret what somebody is saying because you aren't face to face, and I don't for one minute think he was being confrontational.
And as far as I know since GW set up Black Library (after Boxtree published for them) they have stayed away from including original author creations in Codexes.
I think the exception may be Gaunt in one of the previous IG Codexes, but generally you won't see Ciaphas Cain, Eisenhorn etc in a Codex.
Back on topic I don't have a huge amount to offer, as I say I tend not to disclose anything these days but I do recall something that Jervis Johnson said a while ago.
Apparently when Gav Thorpe wrote the last CSM Dex he was given very strict instructions on what he could and couldn't do. He was pretty much forced to streamline the Codex as the dev team thought the previous one was too complicated.
Gav really didn't have much say in the Dex, and wasn't happy with just how stripped down it was, but those were the wishes of the design department.
However Jervis said that as soon as the Dex was released they realised they had made a mistake, and started planning the new Dex almost immediately.
Suffice it to say this new Dex has been in planning for quite some time, and the idea was to reintegrate some of the elements from the Codex before last.
Jervis also said that the plan was to release the Legions book, but keep the current CSM Codex as a Renegades Codex.
This may be where the confusion of 2 books arises from, as far as I know the new Legions Dex will be in addition to the CSM one, not a replacement.
However that info is well over a year old now so once again, don't shoot the messenger.
I believe Jervis touched upon the point in one of his Standard Bearer articles, I will see if I can dig out which one, but it was ages ago. He then expanded on the article to somebody that I know, but as I say this was over a year ago now if memory serves.
In terms of the differences, the new Chaos Legions Codex is supposed to represent the Traitor Marines who fled to the Eye of Terror after the Heresy.
They are therfore Chaos Legionnaires rather than Chaos Marines, and are therefore different to the Marines who have since turned their backs on the Emperor and have gone renegade.
They are much older, and closer to their original Legions (World Eaters, Thousand Sons etc) and will have distinct rules to represent this.
In terms of Traitor Guard apparently the idea for a full Traitor Guard Codex was put forward but was rejected.
Rumours say that Traitor Guard will be available as a unit choice in the new Legions Codex (by taking Alpha Legion) but won't be available as a full army.
AFAIK the only current plans are for the Legions Codex, nothing else. The current CSM Codex will remain to represent Traitor Marines rather than Legionnaires.
~So now we have gone full circle to some of the earliest rumors which indicated that the new book would ce "Chaos Legions", while the existing Chaos Space Marines book stayed in print to represent the more recent 40th millenia renegades. Full rumor roundup here (BoLS Lounge)