GW: New Start Collecting Boxes Spotted

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Come take a look at the contents of the Chaos Space Marines and Militarum Tempestus Start Collecting Boxes!

Looks like the lid on this weeks releases are finally being blown off – as reported earlier we got the pricing for these two new Start Collecting boxes from Games Workshop. But now we have the actual contents:

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Chaos Space marines Start Collecting crop Chaos Space marines Start Collecting crop2 Chaos Space marines Start Collecting crop3 Militarum Tempestus Start Collecting crop Militarum Tempestus Start Collecting crop3 Militarum Tempestus Start Collecting crop2

So lets do some quick math for these boxes:

Chaos Space Marine Box$85

Chaos Space Marine Terminator Lord $24.75

Chaos Space Marine Box (10) – $39

1 Chaos Helbrute$54

Cost: $117.75

Total Savings: $32.75

 

Militarum Tempestus – $85

1 Offcio Prefectus Commissar $21

10 x Militarum Tempestus Scions:

1 Taurox Prime$48

Cost: $139.00

Total Savings: $54

 

Both of these boxes are going to be a great start or an addition to an already existing force. The Militartum Tempestus box in particular seems like a real deal – considering you get 10 Scions for $75, it’s nice to get the Taurox Prime for basically $10 more.

 

What do you think? I’m sure Chaos Players are going to want to chime in on this one…

  • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

    Chaos box feels like a missed opportunity. HQ options were limited as hardly any are plastic, but I have to say I’d have preferred one of the newer models even if it was finecast, there are so many of those Chaos Lords on Ebay after Execution Force. Also the Dread, why GW, when we all have Helbrutes from Dark Vengeance and they are so cheap on Ebay? I guess this is also a sign that the ancient Chaos Space Marines aren’t getting an update anytime soon. Its not even much of a bargain.

    I’d have gone with a WarpSmith and a Maulerfiend and some Chaos Space Marines, people who already have Chaos armies might have picked up the box and it would have been a more effective army, albeit somewhat Iron Warriors themed. Even a Rhino, Cultists, Termie Lord and Marines would have been more use than this and about the same value.

    The Militarum Tempestus looks better, but personally I’d have preferred a Valkyrie to the ugly and surprisingly tiny Taurox. At least its a decent saving.

    • Paul Jan

      At least there’s no Khorne Bezerkers. Whats sad is its basically recognition that the CSM line is really getting old in places.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        haha yes that really would be cruel and unusual! Lets hope for a DE style make-over…

        • Moik

          The lack of updates for the past decade’s made that almost neccesary. The entire range consists of relics from the dawn of 40k’s plastics.

          • Shiwan8

            Just like CSM….

        • Andrew Thomas

          Watch the next iteration of the CSM Codex focus on the Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, and Alpha Legion.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            that would be very cool. Undivided needs some love and I have AL and IW armies!

          • Andrew Thomas

            …by which I meant, as an extension of your metaphor, that the codex primarily functions as a force multiplier for CD, either by giving expendable assault screens, mid-to-long range fire support, or more reliable Reserves and/or reinforcements, primarily through ICs. This utility is “balanced” out by continuing to lack reliable means of getting your overpriced, assault oriented units into combat, lacking raw durability beyond their own stats, and having only 1 or 2 effective single-codex builds, predicated on spamming specific non-Troops units.

            To sum up, no, I don’t want what happened to Dark Eldar to happen to CSM.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I wasn’t thinking of the DE codex, though the penultimate one was good when it appeared, but of the model line. DE have a fantastic model line that was refreshed pretty much entirely. CSM could do with that treatment.

            It is only the Renegades list from IA13 that is keeping my love of Chaos going, otherwise I’d be playing SM or Bolt Action/SAGA. Perhaps FW will write a book giving actual Chaos Space Marines some attention (more than the machines and special units in IA13), it seems hopeless to wait for GW to do it.

          • Andrew Thomas

            I can’t disagree with that.

            I just wish they’d fix Oblits/Mutilators, because they were better visually when they were pewter, and they really should be more on par with Centurions.

          • Djbz

            The difference rule wise between mutilators and assault centurions is ridiculous.
            Centurions get:
            A twin linked flamer
            +1 Strength and toughness
            2 Not unwieldy chainfists (That work out better than every weapon option a mutilator can use)
            Chapter Tactics
            ATSKNF (best rule in the game)
            In exchange for
            a 5+ invulnerable save
            causing fear (ooh)
            and Deep strike
            and being bulkier (using up 3 transport capacity rather than 2)

            I believe that makes it the worst comparable unit between loyalist and chaos marines (Possible exception of Techmarine vs Warpsmith)

          • Andrew Thomas

            Not saying that they’re equal, point costs be damned, but that they’re expected to perform similar tasks on the battlefield, which the Mutilators fail to do consistently, due entirely to inflated costs, and lacking the right tools for the job.

      • alastair_jack

        Khorne Bloodbound has good Bezerker models.

    • Missed opportunity indeed. With the popularity of 30k and the amazing
      artwork for Chaos Marines, now would be the perfect time to revamp Chaos
      Space Marines / Cult troops and Chosen. The tragedy of the traitors
      legions, transmogrified into the monstrosities they are now, not stupid
      space pirates that practically no one cares about.

      Throwing a
      Hellbrute in there does more to hinder than help, beyond reasons
      mentioned above. As it is a newer sculpt it actually ages the models
      further. The only model worth it’s value in the box is the Termi-lord.

      CSM
      has of course been a point of contention, but fluff wise and theme wise
      still favoured. I want to see Veterans of the Long War mean something. I
      don’t want them to have fancy weapons, or jenky abilities,

      I
      want those that have survived the HH and are still 10k years later to
      have a rich and flavourful army list. a story is only as good as your
      bad guy, and as far as archvillans go…CSMs do NOT live up to their
      name at all.

      #MakeChaosGreatAgain

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        I’ll drink to that, fetch some smurf blood!

      • Randy Randalman

        It’s a tricky thing to balance. The most broad question is: how does GW make them as strong as, but functionally different than loyalist Marines? We don’t just want Marines-with-spikes.

        (SIDE NOTE: The saddest part about the CSM fan base is, they don’t want equal-to-Marines; they want better-than-Marines for the same price.)

        First and foremost, just because some of them are 10,000 years old doesn’t mean they are better than loyalist Marines. A Space Marine that has fought for 400 years is still going to have an endless wealth of experience. For a Chaos Space Marine, however, there’s a good chance they have no concept of time anymore, spending large portions of it in the Warp, and they may have very well lost their mind eons ago.

        CSM’s may have some Warp-fed and demonic gifts, but at a price. They don’t simply keep everything they had as a loyalist PLUS gifts. Chances are, they have long abandoned martial discipline, a steady training regimen (as they are constantly traversing a warped and possibly ethereal space, where maintaining sanity alone is a daily struggle), and doctrines. CSM’s are also not selfless, or serving a cause bigger than themselves. Many are selfish and seeking personal power, or willing to do whatever it takes to survive and avoid a twisted rebirth in the Warp. On the battlefield, that doesn’t often translate to sound tactics and cohesive military execution. While a guy gains a tentacle, big teeth, and ascends to take over a company, he may be more concerned about another champion waiting to usurp him than he is about focusing on the mission at hand. Or he wants to show off for his patron demon/deity to earn more favors instead of concerning himself with taking a refinery on some distant moon. Not to mention the constant demonic whispers floating around in his head.

        How do we make this translate to game?

        Loyalists have Doctrines and ATSKNF, representative of their ceaseless training, and dedication to a cause bigger than themselves.

        Chaos should have ways to power up as the game goes on (and not with a giant, random table where half of the results are useless). Similar to KDK’s blood tithe points, but less Khorne-y. Individual champions should have relatively cheap ways to upgrade themselves, showcasing their quests for personal power, as well as their tremendous age and time spent in the Warp.

        The base line Chaos Space Marine should be 2 points cheaper than a loyalist, and come with bolter, bolt pistol and chainsword, as well as all standard grenades. They don’t have ATSKNF or Doctrines for free, thus justifying the cheaper price. Veteran Sergeants/Aspiring Champions should have +1 WS, and access to cheap and unique upgrades. The “power up” table I spoke of should reward the army for general killing and objectives, not ultra-restrictive, ultra-specific challenges against a Marine character or whatever. Chaos can win the long-term game over 5-7 turns this way, where as loyalists want to alpha-strike with bikes, transports, and efficient placement tactics.

        While it would be fluffy to make their bonuses anti-Imperium, that’s too restrictive for a game that has a load of factions to fight against. For the sake of balance, their bonuses should accrue against any opponent.

        Like the old (and I mean OLD) Flesh Tearers rules, standard Chaos Space Marines should have a chance of succumbing to Warp-fed powers and mutations at the start of the game. This could be resolved with a simple roll for a unit, and on a certain roll, one or some of the CSM’s in that unit could transform into Possessed for free. Certainly more cost-effective than they are now.

        All Champions and Lords in a Chaos army should be permitted to take Warlord Traits, since again, their quest is often about personal gain.

        Chaos shouldn’t be Battle Brothers with anyone. Before everyone cries “nerf!” to this, it makes sense as Chaos is NEVER about teaming up to serve a greater purpose. However, they should be Allies of Convenience with literally every army besides perhaps Tyranids and Necrons, whom they can’t sway or corrupt.

        All Chaos vehicles should be flat-out cheaper than Loyalist counterparts, as they don’t have Power of the Machine Spirit. They should also have access to older equipment that loyalists don’t.

        Make the 4 theoretical demonkin factions (5 with Undivided groups like Word Bearers, I suppose) into one big book literally called “Codex Chaos: Demonkin” or something, and eliminate a separate Demons codex. This would be their main codex, believe it or not, as it covers a Chaos force that is distinctly different from Space Marines. A later supplement for the non-demonic legions could function like Angels of Death, but be called “Codex Chaos: Traitor Legions”, and cover the 10,000 year old marines with archaic wargear, veteran rules everywhere, etc. A third codex could be “Codex Chaos: Cults”, which would cover the Cultists themselves, but also the traitor/dark Mechanicus. That’s just a radical, offshoot idea though. In all honesty, I’d prefer to reduce the total number of sourcebooks in the game, but that’s another discussion.

        Plastic kits with an initial release update:

        -10-man standard unit
        -Terminators
        -Obliterators/Mutilators
        -new vehicle or monster
        -3 plastic clampacks

        That would be a good start. 🙂

        • Wa Bell

          Dude, why even put yourself through it?

        • Zack Seiders

          I just want a chaos codex that is up to date. Has an actual decurion detachment and is able to actually compete with the marines who have been spoiled in regards to new stuff.

        • Karru

          I’ve made similar walls of text before, but this time I’m just going to sum it up. Here is what Chaos needs IMO:

          – 11pts CSM, with Bolt Pistol, CCW, Bolter and Grenades.
          – All Aspiring Champions gain +1 wound
          – Remove Boon table completely, replace with purchasable rewards, available to every single character in the army.
          – Decurion detachment with reasonable and useful formations.
          – Ways to get units into combat, drop pods or teleporter homer for example.
          – All HQ options in the army gain +1 wound and Chaos Sorcerer Lord and Chaos Lieutenant makes a return.
          – Buff Champion of Chaos rule to make it a buff, re-roll 1s to hit in a challenge for example.

          Plastic kit wise, Chaos needs the following:

          – All cult marines in plastic.
          – Obliterators/Mutilators Combo-kit
          – Havoc Squad
          – Updated CSM squad, but keep it as tame as they are now. (Not the damn trim and other useless detail hell that is Chosen/Raptors/Talons.)
          – Chosen

          What Chaos doesn’t need kit-wise:

          – Another monster (We already have Mauler-/Forgefiend, Hell turkey and Defiler.)
          – New units

          What Chaos doesn’t need rules-wise:

          – Legion rules, no need to make us into a supplement for SM.
          – More random tables
          – Champion of Chaos as it is.

          • Skathrex

            Nice summary, valit points.

            Just wanted to add, 1 thing they could need as a new Unit (beside a Droppod) is a AA Flyer, but that not too important if they get a good way of skyfire

          • Karru

            I always forget the AA unit. You are right, they need something in that regard outside Hell Turkey and Flak Missiles.

          • euansmith

            It would be nice it the Warp Spawn Ba$tards from the Eye of Terror got some sort of web way portal to drop spawn points across the tabletop. Having Chaos Marines emerge from warp gates would be really cool.

          • Andrew Thomas

            I’ve already written this. And it solves most of the Faction’s problems.

          • Things I would add

            +Chosen and Terminator Chosen are also 2 wounds ala Nobz. Ld9 base
            +Obliterators/ Mutilators +1 Wound and give them back fearless.
            +VotLW in addition to current bonuses increase stats for a premium and immune to fear USR
            +Icon of Wrath makes all charges count as organized charges.
            +Khornate Chainaxes free for Zerkers.

          • Zack Seiders

            Boon table made completely optional and NOT something you roll when you kill a generic character. That or boon table gets trimmed down to the useful mutations.

        • Nathaniel Wright

          Chances are, they have long abandoned martial discipline, a steady training regimen (as they are constantly traversing a warped and possibly ethereal space, where maintaining sanity alone is a daily struggle), and doctrines.

          See, your mistake here is assuming that they’re worthless cock-ups like your average nerd.

          • Moik

            Yeah, and also the CSM book says in plain English: they’re just as skilled and able as loyalists. IDK why every edition loyalists keep blathering on about how such a clearly spelled out fact is not true, it’s like they never even read the books.

        • Djbz

          They should be individually more powerful.
          But there should be less of them as a result.

          As it stands almost everything comparable works better for the same/less points in the loyalist codices

          • Andrew Thomas

            There should definitely be a larger selection of non-Character multi-wound models to reflect that, and a greater supply of models with FNP and/or IWND.

        • Skathrex

          Very good stuff, 1 thing I didn’t like but I think you meant it that way is the ally with Daemons or in your case Daemonkin should still be BB.

      • Andrew Thomas

        Or they could get Henry Zou to write their fluff, because he does CSM pirates the right way.

    • Nick Davidson

      I might buy the box to bulk up my chaos force and use the hellbrute as an alpha for my murderpack

      • Worse is I’ll probably by it, because I need a terminator lord for my red corsairs, and a dreadn… sorry, Helbrute for my slaanesh detachment, poeticaly called “the disciples of Bile”. reminds me I still need to convert a chaplain and a techmarine, btw.

        • Zack Seiders

          Marines become plague marines “not paying more for 5 finecast models when I can get 10 plastic models for cheaper”. Terminator lord goes in the nurgle pile along with my power armor fist and claw lord. Helbrute being the only one in the khorne daemonkin pile “if I want to use something else besides soulgrinders in terms of firing platform/ back field guard.

    • I agree, the content of that start collecting box is indeed terrible. THe box would have been way better, even in terms of saving, with a Ferrocentaurus/cerberrus (option A), or a defiler (option B) or a heldrake (option C). and if they didn’t want us to save too much, just throw in a predator, it’s more useful than a helbrute anyway.

      For gods sake I don’t even use helbrutes, I stick to old dreads with FW rules.

    • Aezeal

      U r missing the point.
      How are these boxes called?

      • Mike Siegmund

        They lose so bad you sell on eBay box set?

      • Even though. I know these boxes are meant to be used either as a formation or as a starting point, in which case this is a poor formation (unless its special rule is awesome, which I doubt) and an even poorer starting point: because whatever the case, you’ll need another 31€ at best to have a starter (remember, 2 troops). Of course, you can subdivise the 10 marines in 2 five-man squads, but that wouldn’t make it much better.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        Don’t know, Start Losing with Chaos Space Marines? Or Start Collecting Old Models and Rubbish Rules?

        • Aezeal

          Your main argument was: whine whine I already have all these units so I can’t score cheap on units I want whine whine. But obviously if you start collecting.. and I think that reveals the target audience this won’t be the case. GW wants a low entry price for new people but would like veterans to pay full prices for extentions (and I think full gw prices are too high but that is besides the point.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            This set is no good for beginners either. Rubbish units in game, old models, duplicating those in the starter set, not even much of a discount. It is simply the poorest of all the Start Collecting boxes.

    • SupraGenius

      The helbrute from DV was monopose and didn’t have any options. I like the newer ones, but 50 bucks for one dreadnought that is just going to die quickly was not worth it. This is a good bit more viable. Also the terminator lord kit can be used to make a sorceror as well. Calling the familiar a free unit is a stretch, though, lol.

    • rtheom

      I gotta disagree with you on this. Remember, these aren’t necessarily meant to be a savings bundle for existing players. For new players, these models are some of the most interesting. It’s also cool that they went for a direct opposite of the Space Marine Start Collecting Box. It allows two friends to get basically the same set and then throw them at each other for an easily balanced game.

      Besides, I still think that the Chaos Terminator Lord is one of the best plastic kits they’ve ever produced. It has so many extras, bits and bobs that will be great for anyone just getting into CSM since their next purchase will almost certainly be Terminators.

      You just gotta look at this from the new kid looking to have fun perspective, not the jaded long-timer that already owns everything.

      • Nameless

        do you not think that in the situation where two new players get Chaos and Vanilla marine start collecting box, that the differences in stats will become quickly apparent?

        the Hellbrute having 2 less attacks but being otherwise very comparable to the space marine Dreadnaught.

        • rtheom

          Oh sure, they’ll probably notice that, but I also suspect the fact that you can create a far more interesting HQ with the Chaos Terminator Lord than you can with the Space Marine Captain will help balance that out for new people a bit.

          You’re still thinking in terms of “points for effect.” For the beginners they want to bring in with the Start Collecting boxes, you gotta think more “coolness quotient”, which the CSM box has in spades.

          • euansmith

            “Chaos Lord, the Loyalists are handing us our shiny metal posteriors again! Why don’t we change and fight like they fight?”

            “Because we are cool, bubba, we are cool.”

          • Nathaniel Wright

            Hahah yeah I remember the last time my army won that coolness award after my game shop’s tournament.

            Said nobody playing, ever.

          • rtheom

            Man, that dude is so cool, he won the shop’s tournament!

            Said nobody ever, also. :p

        • Zack Seiders

          Again it is a sign csm’s need an update when the loyalist dread gets more attacks from the getto. (hellbrute needs some rng to even get that on the charge… which is not reliable.). Though those hellbrute dataslate formations are pretty good for what you are using. “added bonus that I like the kit in comparison to the dark vengence model which looks like crap in comparison… one of my 2 brutes even won in a modeling convention”

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        I disagree, these units arent fun to play, they duplicate those in the starter set, are all cheaper on Ebay, and don’t present much of a saving. If the next thing a beginner buys is Terminators then they are ill advised.

    • MikeHollstrom

      Personally the Helbrute in this kit is the best part, it’s got tons of options and isn’t super cheap on its own. way better than that mono pose melta-fist brute. 😛

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        I agree it is by far the best part, but a maulerfiend/forgefiend would have been better!

        • MikeHollstrom

          I need more of both so I wouldn’t have complained either way xD

  • Shiwan8

    Pffff…lol. Look, 3 units that do nothing for CSM. 😀

    • DeadlyYellow

      Just like the rest of GW’s branded CSM line 😀

      • Shiwan8

        That is true. At least they hate the CSM fans consistently.

        • Randy Randalman

          Except that Black Legion + Khorne Demons have been routinely tabling Eldar and Space Marine players on the ITC circuit.

          • Shiwan8

            Yes, because deathstars are the defining element of codices. Please do present the list of CSM/Daemonkin that tables eldar and marines when only one IC is allowed per squal and only a squad that is in their detachment. If you or anyone else can do that then sure, CSM has teeth. If not, well, you know the drill.

          • A.P.

            So according to a Comp system which defies the rulebook, CSM are viable… Dont you see the problem here is that it is not just the good codices are problem but the bad too.

          • Ray Long

            Why be objective when you can be reactionary? /sigh

  • Spacefrisian

    I almost got interested in getting some tempestus, but than i noticed that my Karskin Tempestus actually look better imo.

    • Paul Jan

      Tempestus box is less of a deal, and more highlighting how overpriced the scions box is.

      • trn

        Agreed, I really like the look and feel of MT but this is poor. Mind you, I was probably unrealistic hoping for a Valkyrie.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          Valks were never going to make it into a start collecting box.

        • Paul Jan

          I don’t mind the starting box, I’m just saying this is correcting a mistake in scions pricing.

  • Byungwook Kim

    That CSM box… Either gw has got a sense of humor… Or..

    • Shiwan8

      No humor there…

  • Charles Roesner

    Well I looks like the CSM starter box is almost a mirror of the SM starter box. A captain in terminator armor, a squad of ten tacticals, and a venerable Dreadnaught. I don’t think GW has quite realized yet that what works for the Space Marines doesn’t quite cut it for the Heretics out there.

    • Rafał Pytlak

      Points wise: if the two forces from the Starters would clash 9SM vs CSM) is Chaos in a disatvantage? They got the Hellbrute…

      • Charles Roesner

        I’m not 100% sure as I don’t know CSM points values off the top of my head but the SM barebones is 315 points if my math is correct (which it very well may not be).

        • Mike Siegmund

          I forgot how over costed CSM are hell brutes are base 100 points it’s the troops that really kill them

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            If the CSM had access to Drop Pods, the Hellbrute would be pretty ok.

          • Shiwan8

            CSM has access to drop pods. The problem is that the pod costs nearly 3 times as much as loyalist pod AND is actually worse.

          • Zack Seiders

            Also one of the dataslate hellbrute formations gives us deepstriking hellbrutes. “useful the turn they come on since their crazed result does not affect them while in reserve” 3 of them to boot. Though people would rather use just one brute to get things done in comparison to 3.

          • Djbz

            Base 100pts, one less weapon, 2 less attacks, detrimental special rule..

      • euansmith

        If there is one thing we have learned over the years is that, in 40k, points have no bearing of effectiveness.

    • usGrant7977

      What about when you.add VotLW?

    • Shiwan8

      I think they do realize, but because CSM must always lose to SM the box has same units SM has but with worse rules.

  • Alexander Slizewski

    I guess CSM are not getting new chaos marine figures this year? That’s too bad 😛 the chaos marines are terrible to paint, and are incredibly outdated. Judging from this start collecting box it would seem that these ancient models are here to stay.

    Hopefully they at least update the codex…

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      The basic marines don’t look that bad. There are models in the range that need way more work, like all of the cult troops, Possessed, etc.

      • Alexander Slizewski

        They may not look bad from a distance, but I find that the chaos marines are terrible to paint; the molds often “merge” with the flat parts of the model and create an awkward transition between areas. Granted, it’s fair to say that the majority of the CSM desperately needs a revamp, some more then others. The oblitorators, plague marines, and khorne berserkers are my main culprits.

    • Shiwan8

      They just updated the supplements. Now they think CSM is good for another decade even when in reality it’s what it was before those supplement updates.

  • ZeeLobby

    “Start Dying: Chaos Space Marines”

  • ZeeLobby

    It also looks like a new basic CSM box is aways off…. yay….

  • nurglitch

    Is that Commissar plastic?

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      yeah, but its a pretty poor model, odd pose and the hat is so big you can use it as a frisbee. His whole platoon can shelter under it when it rains.

      • nurglitch

        Seems reasonable, and in line with Russian peaked caps for general staff.

    • robertbeason

      Yes, same as in AM Start Collecting box.

  • Odsox

    I like the contents line, “…and a Chaos Familiar”. It looks like it was added by a Chaos player who knows that ultimately, when compared to most of the other factions’ Start Collecting options, this box is bullroar*.

    Well, at least they didn’t put any Possessed in it.

    *Not that I’m bitter about it or anything.

    • Zack Seiders

      Unless it is khorne daemonkin “which the possessed are mandatory for the slaughter cult.” No one in their right mind would field possessed. Bright note the hellbrute is a better unit than the possessed so long as you use the dataslate formations. As for marines and lord; former gets turned into plague marines because they are one of the better units in the csm codex and later because potatoes.

  • Pedwidge

    Start collecting: stuff that does not sell. Up next Dark Eldar wytches and that hoverboard unit.

    • Alexander Slizewski

      Don’t give GW any ideas…

  • Agent OfBolas

    Chaos box looks like … “let’s throw in everything that is not selling at all” as Terminator Lord, Space Marines and Hellbrute are such crap that no one plays them.

    No matter the price, for sure I’m not going to grab one of it.

    • Mike Siegmund

      I am shocked they did not replace the lord with a defiler have some rule with the brute as leader lest then it move all the poor sellers

    • Nick Davidson

      The hellbrute isn’t selling due being able to pick one up for £8 on ebay.

  • The tempestus box is a tad better than the chaos one. I like the taurox, personally, reminds me of old WW1/WW2 half track. Still, pretty sure the next “start collecting” box I’ll get will be the daemons of khorne one. I need to jumpstart that daemonkin army I’ve been planning. it’ll be my erm…4th chaos army for 40K ? (5th if you count the slaanesh 1000pt detachment I’m slowly assembling).

    Yeah. I like chaos. probably too much for my wallet.

  • OldHat

    Yuuuuuup. Now I might pick up some of those MT dudes. You basically get the Taurox free, so that is just great, especially if online retailers have them for a discount. Might get me two!

  • georgelabour

    Hrmm I’ve been meaning to pick up some Taurox…en…ees… for my Vostroy AM for a while now.

    And since I’ve yet to have any storm troopers or that new commisar to my collection that boxed set isn’t that bad a deal.

    Especially since I can also use the tempestus squad in Deathwatch: Overkill now.

  • Koszka

    Scions?! SCIONS!!! Hell yeah!

    Finally GW heard my ( and probably 5 other players) prayers.
    Its a good day.

  • jasonsation

    Finally an affordable way to start a scion army.

  • Mathew G. Smith

    The second box is pure Tempestus Scions, I wonder why they didn’t call it that.

  • MightyOrang

    What they need is a start collecting 30K box — something below the hell that is the price point for Calth — $85 for 10 tacticals 5 terminators a captain and a Dred

    • Shiwan8

      Or….just buy the calth box (or 3 like I did and even that really is not enough for a varied army)….

      • MightyOrang

        Not even for a Pride of the Legion force?

        • Shiwan8

          Is that varied in your opinion? I do not think it is.

          • MightyOrang

            For the money it’s s viable entry point into 30K

          • Shiwan8

            Sure, if playing any one list is the thing you want.

  • Julio Lenin Roman Martinez

    I pity the poor kid who is just starting and will end up with the CSM lame box, believing that “cool”, outdated models (save the helbrute) have any chance against more competent sets.

    • Shiwan8

      “Thanks mom and dad for getting me this box of toys that will make me lose all the games I could ever want to play with my friends who use different boxes of toys!”

  • blackbloodshaman

    perhaps the problem is that 10 scions cost 75 dollars to begin with

  • euansmith

    The Scions box looks like it would make a nice set for a Kill Team style game.

  • Kritarion

    You know what would be great? Start Collecting: Sisters of Battle…

  • Andrew Thomas

    Liking the Tempestus box, but the CSM box is never going to be good enough, absent a new Codex. I may like the models, but the rules are what’s going to move, or rather keep from moving, these boxes.

  • Admiral Raptor

    Good to see the Chaos Space Marines getting exactly the quality of release we’ve come to expect for them. At least this give the other Start Collecting boxes something to beat up on.