UK Votes “Leave”- BREXIT And Tabletop Gaming

 

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The BREXIT vote is over and the world (including the gaming industry) is waking up to a new reality.

 

 

Everyone knew the UK referendum to leave the European Union was going to be tight. However, as recently as 8 hours back everyone from the politicians, to the financial markets, to the bookmakers said the safe money was on “Stay”.  Then the counting began and it was clear the people of the United Kingdom had another path in mind for their nation.  The BBC has just called BREXIT in favor of “Leave”

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As of printtime, the pound is trading at $1.33 USD to 1 Pound – a low not seen since 1985 (source: BBC).

The Pound has dropped 10.6% versus the dollar since the BREXIT polls closed (less than 12 hours ago)

The Pound has dropped 7.5% versus the Euro since the BREXIT polls closed (less than 12 hours ago)

Here is the latest Bloomberg currency snapshot as of presstime.  This is the Pound vs the USD over the last 12 months. That cliff on the far right is what a 10% market drop in 7 hours looks like.

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Back to Wargaming

Of course this is major, major news and it will affect the gaming industry.  Not only Games Workshop, but a large number of big players in the tabletop gaming industry are UK based. They will be seeing their prices and market valuations dropping as well versus other major currencies, while companies based in the United States and the EU will see their prices rise in comparison.

There will, as always in international markets, be opportunities for customers and bargain hunters, but at a macro level this will have an impact as well.  We for example could see UK based goods drop in prices as they are adjusted into EU and American markets, making them more accessible to customers. This would increase sales abroad which may be just what some UK companies could use.  Inversely EU and American goods could see price increases in the UK as the market adjusts, making them a stiffer climb for British consumers.

In any case, I would tell all our readers to keep a sharp eye on those currently rates, because this is an unexpected wake up call to the world and we are in uncharted financial and political waters on this one.  There will certainly be some big financial swings back and forth until things start to settle out. It will be months and years before we have a real sense for how this will affect the big tabletop gaming companies and their marketshare but rest assured they will be putting thier financial teams on it starting this morning.

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~Have at it my friends – and welcome to the new world.

  • Dan Hermod Anderson

    In all honesty this was one of the first thoughts to enter my mind when i saw the pound drop like a rock “can i capitalize on this? GW you have LOST!” Also #freedomfortheuk

    • Shawn

      Well, I dont think it dropped like a rock. It’s only 1.37. Considering it was 1.49 not too long ago, that’s not much of a change. Now if the US dollar was strong than the UK pound, then I would say it dropped like a rock. However, it is certainly an improvement over what it was before.

      • Uh… when was the last time you took a macro-econ class? The pound dropped by 10% in 7 hours, S&P is looking at revoking the UK’s AAA rating, global markets are in total flux right now… it’s a huge change. It’s going to affect the US, too.

        Blow that $0.12 change up to the size of the UK’s economy and it becomes clear it’s not chump change. It’s billions of dollars.

        Financial traders are describing this as “once a lifetime” currency swings. No one has seen anything like this…

        http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36611512

        http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/business/international/brexit-financial-economic-impact-leave.html

        • Shawn

          I’ve never taken macro enonomics, just so you know, Haakon. However, with what limited knowledge I have on such things, dropping from 1.45 to 1.37 isn’t all that much of a change, now is it?

          • Charon

            It is. It is actually pretty massive.
            Imagine every dept GB has in foreign countries just raised by 10%.
            Or if that is too complicated: Imagine you had a loan of 100.000 yesterday and it became 110.000 over night.

          • Shawn

            Gotcha. That does put in a bit better perspective. Thanks Charon. I do think that Britain will persevere though. They’re a tough folk.

          • Moik

            1% is a huge deal. 10% is ten times a huge deal. The make or break on a product/service in any industry is often decided by a mere 5%, and 10% is twice that.

            And we’re not talking about a hard cap of 10%, if you include other volatility factors from domestic change, as well as from your neighbour, you can be looking at apocalyptic results.

            I’m not exaggerating, this can, although unlikely, completely destroy a nation. It’s not like the UK was doing well to begin with either.

            Edit: the fact that the whole purpose of the leaving is to burn bridges is a compounding factor as well.

          • manouel35

            … think bigger …
            for you it’s nothing, for firms, it’s huge !
            and no, it’s not a good news, but well done england ahahah

          • Thomas Gardiner

            It’s literally the single biggest drop in the history of Sterling, actually.

        • Heinz Fiction

          It’s not a really big shift yet, it just happend very fast. If you didn’t by that Archaon for 120 € you probbaly won’t for 108 €. We’ll see if the pound keeps dropping or not.

      • DeathBy SnuSnu

        I gotta say 10% loss in 6 hours on your national currency, when your populace has voted to leave the EU should terrify you… if the GBP doesn’t recover quickly that’s going to be painful for everybody in the British economy.

        • SacTownBrian

          Lower pound is generally better for the UK. It will boost tourism and goods sold dramatically. It’s why Obama has the Feds printing dollars like crazy. It may cause inflation but it’s too early to tell where the pound will stabilize.

          • arkhanist

            Lower sterling is good for exporters and local tourist trade, bad for imports and travel companies (more expensive holidays etc).

            The UK imports much more than it exports, so a weak pound will push up the cost of living (imported food, oil, gas, manufactured goods, services etc etc) – and that drives up inflation. Higher inflation is usually controlled mid-term via higher interest rates, which might also be used to try and prop up the pound directly. Bad news if you’re a borrower, i.e. mortgage costs

            Simple example though. My two main types of paint are vallejo (spanish) and army painter (danish). My favourite brushes (raphael) are french. There’s several really great resin bases & bits companies in Poland (spellcrow, micro art studios).

            A weaker pound raises the costs of all of those for me as they’re priced in Euros. And that’s before we even start on our exit from the single market.

          • Benjamin E

            “It’s GOOD for your country, when your money is worth less!” get the entire way out of here, that is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.

    • SacTownBrian

      Lower pound prices actually means that GW won.

  • ForgottenLore

    Alright. So GW now has a solid excuse to explain plummeting sales to stockholders for the next 3-4 finacial disclousures.

    • DeathBy SnuSnu

      If the GBP doesn’t bounce back quickly, yeah I don’t think they’ll need an excuse…

    • SacTownBrian

      The lower pound will increase sales internationally. Don’t you want to buy Forgeworld now, exchange rates are so much better…

    • Charon

      Other way round. A weak pound means more sales.
      It probably still means less profit. But sales are going to rise.

  • Alpharius

    Buy your FW, boys!

    • Erik Brun

      My first thought

    • eldannardo

      Oh yeah!

    • Shawn

      Good idea, but the pound didn’t really drop that much.

      • euansmith

        So buy a Warlord Titan; that way you will maximise your saving!

        • wibbling

          And do wonders for our balance of payments…. I like your style Euan!

        • mysterex

          The more you spend the more you save!

          Now it sounds like an infomercial.

      • Boondox

        I’m hoping this is just the beginning….

        • euansmith

          Thank you for your compassion 😀 😀 😀

          • Boondox

            Because if it gets REALLY bad I may be able to afford a flight from the US to Nottingham and scoop up all the Warhammer World only goodies at bargain prices!!

          • euansmith

            You might want to bring a C130 for the swag and a small army of Mercenaries to cope with the zombies.

          • Alpharius

            Scotland will declare independence and invade England. You’ll have other problems. 😀

    • Just what I thought xD

    • Swimpackus

      I hope this is seen. Actually don’t jump the gun just yet. Most credit companies take a bit (a few business days at the least) to update conversion prices. Keep an eye on PayPal etc conversion charges to get the best deal.

      • Alpharius

        PayPal has been updated, so go nuts!

  • Jay

    Small price to pay for freedom.

    • Alpharius

      I guess the tinfoil hat society has members in all the countries of the world. Yes, they were totes regulating your pillow content, man, those European bastards!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF-IlQ1bcQA

      • Parthis

        Finally, I will eat curved bananas again.

      • Jay

        Your video is working about as good as the EU.

  • Parthis

    Anything for those fresh tasty clicks eh? This really has no place on here.

    Leave those of us who wanted to remain in Europe to our peaceful distractions and hobbies, please.

    • dinodoc

      Forge World purchases are of interest here.

    • Azrell

      Some of the biggest tabletop gaming companies in the world are in the UK. Its news here.

    • Shawn

      Parthis, Britain is still a part of Europe. There is no changing that. Now to be beholden to an organization that can dictate your financial and social being forever, no longer exists.

      • Charon

        You can tell that to yourself if it makes you sleep better. Do you actually think you dont have to follow EU rules if you want to continue trade? What do you think Swiss and Norway do?

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          Exactly, lol. If you want to sell your goods in the EU, you have to abide by their laws and regulations. Difference is, now you have no way I what those laws or regulations are or how they are implemented and enforced.

        • Shawn

          Fine then, stop trading to the EU. They aren’t the only frickin’ countries of the world. If it worked as well as it was suppose to then Britain leaving wouldn’t’ be an issue.

          • Charon

            For example? China? Russia?
            Because the US has no free trade agreement with GB. They need to make this all over again. This can not only take years you are also in no position of power. The terms are better is you are in a union and not a single country.

          • Shawn

            Well we are a single country. A union of 1 nation. I know, its’ quibbling of semantics, but I had to. The United States of America. One Nation.

          • Charon

            And now imagine one of your countries (as this model is the way the EU will get to one day) say “we dont want that dictatorship from washington anymore, we leave the USA” what would happen to them? Do you think they will suddenly transform into a free trade paradise now as they can make their own rules?

          • Shawn

            Nice analogy Charon. Unfortunately, our Civil War fixed that. Once you join the Union it’s permanent. No going back, no redo, no reset button. You join the USA, you join the club for good.

          • Charon

            Which was not the question…

          • Shawn

            I may have misconstrued your question, but its because you used Washington and as I’ve said, once you’ve joined that’s it. I think, if I reread it right, that no no country will suddenly become a free state, but like anything else there will be growing pains and baby steps, but in the end I think Britain will triumph and be better for it.

          • Dennis Finan Jr

            But it answers why the EU and usa are different.

          • One Angry Dwarf

            Except for the fact that in the last 8 years Texas has threatened to secede multiple times…

          • Shawn

            They can always threaten, but it will never happen. For one, they’d be a country without resources and two, the law forbids them to, so that would be war. Who do you think would win?

          • Charon

            So you are basically a repressive and undemocratioc dictatorship keeping your states by threats of war?
            And you think the EU is bad? 😀

          • Shawn

            No, you just don’t get it Charon! There is a law! It’s called UNION. The Untied States of America. Once you join the union there is no going back. Our civil war took place to enforce that ruling. You join you can never go back. And, it would be foolish for Texas to do so, since they wouldn’t have an army, no navy, no air force, and be surrounded by another country. It’s just stupid talk is what it is.

          • Charon

            Which is exactly the situation of GB right now… just the EU gave them a choice to stay or leave 😉

          • Shawn

            Okay, lol. I see where you’re going with this. I do think though that Britian would be better off in the long run, but time will tell.

          • Charon

            Probably as good as a “free” texas.
            IT is basically the same thing you just decide to value them differently for no reason.
            Most of the people that voted for leave will die in the next 9 to 10 years. they still remember the glory of the british empire and want it back,
            But no matter how often you decide to leave the EU, the glorious british empire is not coming back.

          • Frank Krifka

            Your out of your mind. Everybody who studies economics and trade realizes this move is counter productive disaster, where Britain gets virtually nothing beneficial out of the deal except the ability to pat itself on the back for being “free”

          • Heinz Fiction

            Maybe economics are not the only thing that matters…? Maybe being “free” is more important to some people than being “rich”?

          • Frank Krifka

            Freedom? This was never about freedom. in fact, Britons are going to lose a hell of a lot of freedom no longer being part of the EU.

          • manouel35

            exactly

          • DeadlyYellow

            Considering the US seems to struggle with alternative lifestyle rights, women’s rights, racial rights, information and transportation infrastructures, affordable healthcare, affordable education, massive wealth disparity, and civil unrest?

            Yeah, kinda.

          • manouel35

            why not ?
            in spain, catalina want to be independent you know and spain is one country, but USA are not a single country

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Technically it was a condition of surrender, Texas still believes it has the constitutional right to leave should they desire (the legality of this and minority believe that the usa is still in occupation is debatable) However financially they are bound to the US and would suffer if they left. As you said, it would be crazy to leave. Which i think the same point is what other people are feeling in Europe. In WW2 it was written on many newspapers as USA and Texas Declare war on japan!

          • Drpx

            My five year old holds his breath when he feels like that.

          • Couldn’t a convention of states be used to dissolve the union? Although extremely unlikely I’m sure.

          • captkaruthors

            That’s not true. The constitution has rules in place for states wishing to secede.

          • faultie

            Which provision is that, specifically?

          • The right to bear arms?

          • Damistar

            Point is, with the exception of Texas, our states were never sovereign nations in the first place with their own currency, language, and culture. Great Britain was an independent nation before and can be so again.

          • Charon

            Sure it can be independent. If it builds a wall around the island and only consumes what it produces itself.

          • Damistar

            Now why would they have to do that? Is the remaining EU not going to trade with GB anymore? Don’t be dense.

          • Hazamelistan

            They will. But on their terms. Norge and Switzerland have to accept (and pay) for the benefits of trading with the EU-Countries and accept the rules and laws of the EU. But they’ve no right to influence the rules. And those rules are one of the main arguments of the Leave-wing. So if you leave and don’t want to accept the rules, you’re an outsider like the US and you’ve to pay taxes and tolls.

          • Charon

            If you trade with them you are not independent. Thats like getting money from your parents and claiming “im independant!”
            You want to trade with the EU? You better follow EU trade regulations… which are… basically the same reason why GB left.
            With the added bonus that you now have to PAY to follow the rules without having a say when it comes to forming these rules.

          • Damistar

            So GB will not be able to negotiate a trade agreement with the EU? I think you’re assuming the EU doesn’t need to trade with GB as much as GB needs to trade with them. Britain has some leverage here, as they are one of the largest economies in Europe.

          • Charon

            They will… the same like norway and Swiss.
            Follow our rules, pay fees to the EU and you may trade with us.
            You act like GP is in a position of power here. It is not. A single country is never in a position of power when dealing with a union of nations. Thats the whole idea behind cooperations when small businesses get together to buy at better terms and sell using one route of distribution which they pay together instead of spending more money individually.
            GB WAS the 5th largest economy. That changed today. You might even lose your AAA rating which also means you have to pay more interest.

          • But since the UK has full control of its own currency, it can literally print more money to ease any problems. Its economy is still in a better state than France’s. The EU has been overlooking France’s blatant disregard of Eurozone rules because, and I quote, “It’s France.”

            The UK is still strong enough to weather this storm. And it’s a valuable enough market that other countries still covet business with it. The UK can’t dictate terms, but it can still negotiate effectively.

          • Thomas Gardiner

            “We can just print more money to fix all the problems!”

            Yeah, let’s just drive the value of Sterling through the Earth and into hell itself!

            Do you even economics, bruh?

          • Cool! Can I be Snake Plissken?

          • Never is a very strong word. At one time playing cards were used for money in the Americas.

          • Damistar

            Ok, I was speaking generally. My point is that comparing the USA and the EU is an apples and oranges comparison. The EU is much more diverse, even just counting the Europeans themselves and not the recent waves of immigration from Asia and Africa.

          • To be honest I’ve never understood the EU. I though they were just held together by a currency and had nothing else in common beyond that.

          • Are you going to follow that with “I’ll get me coat”?

            🙂

          • Damistar

            I can’t say I’m an expert by any means either. From what I can gather the EU is the overall result of a series of treaties that began in the 1950s with the attempt to rebuild after the devastation wrought by the second world war. I guess the complaint is with the loss of sovereign power by member nations in the interests of the EU headquartered in Brussels. The upside is that Europe was essentially a free trade zone between members and a common currency helped keep all the nations afloat financially. There have been a series of crises in recent decades that have strained things and the Brexit is the latest fallout.

          • The “European Project” was originally to create a federal Europe designed to do away with national boundaries altogether (and stop Germany being naughty). It evolved into a way of taking the bite out of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe. And now it just solves its problems by absorbing more neighbouring countries hoping that they will all prosper together. But the end game is still a United States of Europe. As an intellectual exercise, it’s wonderful. In practice, however, the ever-increasing integration makes people nervous and drives them towards Nationalism.

          • Damistar

            That is pretty much my understanding as well. Here in the USA we focus mostly on our own history in schools, so the “European Project” is mentioned in the context of the cold war with the USSR, but not in too much detail.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Although, it is an Ironic twist, as now Germany tends to lead on most EU issues, and will aid in binding the EU together. The EU now has a region more or less with the borders of the Axis during WW2. I mean it’s not the same, but it’s still sorta funny!

          • IndigoJack

            I think there are some native American tribes that want to have a word with you…

          • Damistar

            I just knew someone would bring that up eventually.

          • Benderisgreat

            Except we’re not a union of 50 different countries with different economies, languages, politics, etc., so that doesn’t even hold water.

            Nice try though.

          • Dennis Finan Jr

            No they would be destroyed and reclaim and traitors killed that’s it. The EU and United States have nothing in common. And my slimeball president better go out of his way to help GB as much as possible.

          • manouel35

            you are ridiculous …
            so it’s your plan B ?

            oh ! just to say, scotland and ireland will leave UK ahah
            ah the american navel gazing lol

          • Emmet Keane-Teague

            Stop trading with a market of 500 million people, who are right on your door step? I take it you’re not a business owner.

      • Since I the UK never joined the Eurozone they never had the EU meddling in that way, that’s the irony

        • Shawn

          That does make a difference.

    • Dennis Finan Jr

      Exactly how I felt when Obama got elected twice!

  • Frank Underwood

    It was only really immigration and veiled racism at the core.
    Now we finally have our freedom to let the Tories destroy the rest of our country. No frustrating EU laws keeping them in check anymore 🙂
    Damn! It feels good to be free.

  • jed kar

    Sigh… let’s see now really how much less tax people now pay and how by miracle immigration stops. Having being in the UK for over a decade it sadens me because I like the liberalism here. Guess I’ll take my tax payer cash and give it to another country, which I’m sure is going to help “insulars” pay less tax in return. NOT

    • Shawn

      Your sad that Britain decided to think for themselves and quit an institution that tried to dictate their financial and social growth?

      • euansmith

        I’m sad that our right wing ruling elite is now free of the moderating effect of the slightly left of centre EU.

        • Shawn

          By right wing you mean conservative Euansmith? I find it hard to believe that conservatives have that much say in Britain. While I may not be big on all the social norms overseas, I was pretty sure Britain was more Left leaning overall, being a country with a socialist type government.

          I also thing that the EU would do more harm then good overrall. Too much control over others and not enough oversight.

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            If the conservatives stay in control long term, be prepared to see the country dragged hard to the right.

            Sure the UK will never be as conservative as Republicans here in the state’s but it will be a noticible change none the less.

          • euansmith

            Britain has become more like America over the past decades. The political landscape has drifted further and further to the right; even our supposedly Socialist party (Labour) became right of centre under Tony Blair and has remained there. The media has helped drive this drift by constantly pushing an isolationist narrative. What the EU did was hold our government to account. Without the EU’s moderating effect, I fear things are going to get worse. We’ll be entering the realms of private medical insurance other such cruelties.

          • Shawn

            Gotcha. I’d welcome the change. Private medical insurance isn’t so bad, and works quite well. Before the crap that was Obama Care, employers offered health insurance and ti worked quite well. If you needed a doctor you could get an appointment quickly, as soon as a couple of days. I’d rather not wait months for an appointment, and allow the government have a say on whether or not I’m eligible for care.

          • NikosanPrime

            Sorry Shawn, you are wrong. Private medical insurance bankrupts the Middle Class and enslaves the Lower Class.

            I won’t get into Obama care but I live in Canada and I cannot believe how much of a Third World Country the US is.

            I do not want to see any other country head in that direction. No one wants to ever go to a Hospital or take and Ambulance for fear of the $5k – $10k bill they will receive for going. In Canada if you are ill you go to a Hospital or get in an Ambulance and the charges might be $100 – $400, at most. If your child is sick you take them to the Hospital and they are taken care of. I know because I have a 2 year old and he has gone to the Hospital I don’t know how many times and I don’t think I have ever paid a penny except for his prescriptions, which were in the $20 – $40 range.

            No, you are wrong, but that is because I don’t think you have any experience with different systems.

          • Shawn

            Sorry Nikosan, I disagree. Here in the US if you have medical insurance, an ambulance or emergency visit isn’t an issue. You’re covered. Before Obama Care, if you worked you had insurance and you were covered. Now, with Obama Care, everything is up on the air, and health is beyond affordable. The work week used to be 40 hours a week. Now employers wont hire anyone full time, so they don’t have to pay the insurance premiums, and tell everyone to just take the tax penalty, since it is cheaper than actually paying for health care. While our system isn’t perfect, it was a thousand times better than the Obama Mess.

          • euansmith

            Sounds like you could do with some Unionization.

          • Shawn

            It wouldn’t work. Unions jack the value of employees beyond acceptable levels, and use union money to fund whatever poltical pundit they deem worth (usually liberal) without union member’s say in the matter.

          • euansmith

            Wow, they sound no better than Corporate Lobbyists.

          • amaximus167

            Unfortunately, the US Unions are really corrupt. They don’t always even really protect the workers. They can basically sit back and make money off the employees. If we could go back to early era US Unions, I would be all in. But those have all be taken over by greed.

          • euansmith

            Wow, just like Corporations?!

          • euansmith

            I guess that the issue with American Unions is the influence of the Mob; that’s certainly the impression the media give.

          • amaximus167

            Right, my Step-dad couldn’t get a job on the books just before his retirement because the local Union was getting the younger cheaper labor in there. All those years of paying dues just to get dropped like sack of bricks when he needed them the most.

          • JN7

            Just no. If your state didn’t take part in the ACA, then you don’t get the benefits. States that have are already seeing the benefits. Don’t blame a human right to proper medical care for the greed of employers.

          • nuggy

            Except that those are not factors hailing from Obamacare and they were there long before its implementation. Sure it might have stagnated in certain areas the last years but its following economic swings rather then a direct affect from political decisions like those.
            Universal healthcare is cheaper for everyone but the halfway route that the US is taking just lays the foundation for more of this intrigue of political agendas where the peoples best interest are forgotten.
            Not to mention that the entire foundation for the “Obamacare” program came from a older scraped republican healthcare reform and that many who worked to push it back then now are in heavy opposition to it since the democrats brought it back.

          • Jack Biddo

            sigh… i miss the pre obama care days. I used to work a part-time job that scheduled me 24 hours but I was able to work up to 50 if I chose too. After obama care once I hit 24 hours in a week I was sent home. The real kicker is the job provided health benefits but they didn’t meet the requirements of full-time health care under obama care. Even though it was better coverage than what I get now at my new ‘full time’ job.

          • NagaBaboon

            If you have medical insurance…..

          • amaximus167

            Health care was beyond affordable before the ACA.

          • Douglas Burton

            “Before Obama Care, if you worked you had insurance and you were covered.” . In what world did this occur? If you worked you may have had “access” to buy insurance, but it wasn’t always affordable. And, not all employers OFFERED insurance. So you were left on your own. In many instances to get coverage, you went to the emergency room, got treatment then filed bankruptcy cause the bill was 20k or more or you had the hospital negotiate a payment plan where they write down the coverage by 90% and you pay $10 a month to pay off the balance.

            “Now employers won’t hire anyone full time….” again, in what world. I see hundreds of full time jobs. But there is some truth to your statement that employers pay their employees so little that they get put on aid (yea, looking at you Walmart). You are right, our system wasnt perfect, hence the change. Is the new system perfect? No. But its a start. Now if you can get the republicans and democrats to work together to refine it and take out what doesnt work and fix what it can, we can improve the system.

          • Manwiththedogs

            And still so much worse than other OECD countries. Your healthcare is rated 31st in the world. Guess who comes out number one for spending on it? The US spends two and a half times more than the OECD average. What an amazing return!

          • Drpx

            The Canadians who moved down here say otherwise…

          • Spacefrisian

            Well if you had that health care thing before Obama came and gave a different one you will obviously like the older one more, even if its totally crap.

            Most of us in Europe (including Brittain) think your health insurance is terrible. Obama maybe was the best thing when it came to health insurrance, you just didnt realised it…such a shame.

          • JN7

            Some of us do realize it. Probably the same ones that don’t rely on Fox “News” for their information.

          • Drpx

            Getting our plans cancelled and having to pay 3x more so Granny got birth control was awesome!

          • NagaBaboon

            You might have a slightly skewed vision of the NHS, I can see a doctor on the day I wake up feeling ill.

          • amaximus167

            Private insurance is a scam and rip off. It should be illegal. I make more than triple minimum wage and still can’t afford to go to the hospital. I can only justify clinics. Gods of Chaos forbid I have an emergency and have to go to the ER, where I will be forever burdened by the crushing debt.

          • manouel35

            WHAT medical insurance isn’t bad !!!!!
            ok I stop here, you are just no interesting at all

          • Manwiththedogs

            Which is why your health system costs so much more than other developed nations and you get so much less. Look at the stats instead of spouting BS.

          • Alpharius

            You are woefully ignorant of the state of private medical insurance before the Affordable Care Act, and the flaws in it currently. Many of the small firms established by ACA are going bankrupt because there is no oversight in what the government will pay for, as someone who works in Medicaid/medicare claim adjudication, the amount of waste is staggering. Billions and billions of dollars pissed away.

          • John Grammaticus

            And this is why we are leaving. Democracy requires no moderation, NO citizen requires their views “moderating” by a conglomerate of other nations originally set up as a free trade area and is now what has become an undemocratic behemoth intent on Federal Europe. We’re not leaving because we’re all extreme right, it’s about controlling your own future through democracy and that’s what is happening.

          • euansmith

            Thanks, man, I needed a good laugh. The voters have just given even more power to the Etonians.

          • 6Cobra

            Interesting that the one arguing most adamantly on behalf of Britain leaving the EU here is an American..
            Shawn, you really don’t feel a little awkward lecturing Brits on their future and their own political spectrum, from a position of admitted lack of knowledge? (“I may not be big on social norms overseas” etc.)

          • Shawn

            I’m sorry if I come off as seeming to lecture to Britains. Far from it. I’m just extremely happy that Britain took, what I see as a better route for their growth. While the EU’s intentions may be for the benefit of all, the rules it governs I think do a country more harm. Also, one small group, shouldn’t be able to dictate to an entire continent how conducts its affairs. This way, GB is free to plot their own course, and its the way it should be for everyone.

          • Manwiththedogs

            The US has a ‘socialist type’ government too by that definition. It’s nice to have a Police force, firefighters and a social welfare system.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        personally I am sad we lost:

        Visa free travel to EU.
        EU employment rights, health and safety legislation and judicial oversight.
        Ability to work in EU without permit.
        Ability to live in EU without residency permit.
        Ability to study in EU and pay local fees.
        Tariff free imports and exports to EU.
        Ability to negotiate internationally with weight of 500+million people not 65 million.
        Cultural links (important for me as a musician who regularly plays at events in Europe funded by local arts grant money).
        Our border controls in France not in England.
        Economic stability (prepare for the massive crash as many companies pull out of UK).
        Peace. Putin will love this, especially if other countries follow us.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          The border control issue is going to suuuuuck. It was such a sweet deal France and the UK had.

          • euansmith

            I always used to get a warm feeling walking past the queues of American Tourists waiting at passport control.

          • 6Cobra

            As a frequent US traveler in Europe, I’ll save you a spot in line, buddy! 😉

          • Stealthbadger

            You got a warm feeling walking PAST a queue and call yourself a Brit? A real Brit would have joined it irrespective of whether he wanted what was at the end of it. That’s us, best queue’rs in the world.

            Idiotic as voters though.

          • euansmith

            You are correct on both counts. I am chastened.

          • Alpharius

            I’m sorry, but as someone who grew up in the Soviet Union during rations, you Brits don’t know jack about queuing. I award you no points, and may God and the Queen have mercy on your non-queuing-ass soul!

        • Shawn

          I hear you Knight. However, I think a countries’ independence much more important. There is no reason Britan’s neighboring countries can’t have those same arrangements, working out friendly arrangements here and their without sacrificing their identity, financial growth, or freedom.

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            Visa free travel for a set amount of time will happen but the rest… Who knows. Depends on how vindictive the Eurocrats are.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I know how vindictive I’d be. This is the political equivalent of openly sticking dog sh1t through all your neighbours letterboxes and then expecting to be able to borrow a cup of sugar the next day.

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            Which is what I fear will happen. The leaders of the EU will make the UK pay dearly for their folly, so as to make an example of them (which will vow all the other countries who may want to leave).

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I would do the same in their shoes.

          • Spacefrisian

            We could send Viking raiding parties again yes?

          • V10_Rob

            Says more about the Eurocrats than anything.

            This has been the song and dance for decades, and its only been getting worse. International political and economic treaties and agreements are made largely behind closed doors, with minimal to no democratic ratification.

            And if anyone raises a question about a single clause or delays the process, we are told the economy will explode if the corporate lobbyists don’t get their sweetheart deals, and that everyone will lose their job and starve and die AND IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT.

          • V10_Rob

            Yeah, it’s not like they were nullifying electoral results they didn’t like or anything.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            we have independence already. We could always leave if we wanted to, and pooled sovereignty and legislating just made sense.

            What we have now is an illusion of independence. We are just as INTERDEPENDENT as we ever were economically, just now we will get the rough end of every financial transaction as we have to negotiate with an EU 6 times our size, and none of the fringe benefits of being in Europe.

          • Shawn

            Hmmm. Do you think that the rest of the EU would do that to Britain because your not part of their special super-friends social-trade club? If they do, then they’re not really allies to begin with are they? Better off making friends elsewhere. Im sure Britain won’t be lost. There might be some adjusting to the new status quo, but Britain will come out better for it, I think.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            they have to do this. There are countries who depend on a strong EU for their defence, this is even more important now Trump may pull out of NATO. Its not trivial matters here but matters of national survival in the face of an increasingly aggressive Putin. They dare not run the risk of other nations leaving.

            In fact for the sake of my Finnish and Estonian friends I hope they smash our economy to oblivion so that no other country dares repeat our stupidity.

            And where are these other friends? Its a dog eat dog world. We just shat on the only friends we had.

          • Shawn

            I’m sure you have your ear to the ground more so than I do when it comes to the pulse of Europe and it’s political climate Knight, but I’d like to think that most would help one another against a singularly vile entity.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            lets hope so.

          • Charon

            Because the years before the union have proven Europe is a peaceful continent, right? Funfact: since the EU we have a period of peace in europe that is basically completely new to us.

          • Shawn

            Are you certain that that’s due to the EU’s efforts, or more along the lines it’s the modern world and there are no major conflicts in the Western World? Peace could be just a coincidence of the times and not due to any kind of efforts of a socio-enconomical multi-national organization.

          • euansmith

            Yeah, I miss the good old days of the 7 Years War, the 30 Years War and the Hundred Years War; you just don’t get wars like that these days.

          • Charon

            You dont even have to go that far back. Jugoslavia, Cypria, Romania? All in the past 20 years. Jugoslavia alone had up to 240.000 dead.

          • Drpx

            There’s always the Middle East. They’ve been fighting the 2000 Years War.

          • Charon

            Thats how it works. IF you are not a club member you get no club benefits unitl you pay extra for them (swiss, norway)

          • 6Cobra

            No reason they “can’t” have those same arrangements.. but I can think of a few why they very likely “won’t.” There’s a difference there.

          • psyclik

            Except the brits leaving is really pissing us off. Like really. Kinda feel like one the three major players of the team leaving at half-time because you know… other players are not good enough.

            Guess Angela won’t like it either.

        • wibbling

          UK employment rights were better than EU ones. Most of theirs come from us.
          Tariffs were never free, they cost £50m a day.
          We didn’t negotiate at all. We were dictated to. Those 500 m were getting a poor deal.
          You’re still going to be able to travel.
          Economic stability is a long term thing. The Eu was making us poorer. It is making *everywhere* poorer.

          I hope he does. We can now buy his fuel far more cheaply, getting more of it, boosting our economy and Russia’s without adding massive EU taxes.

          The short term is going to be tricky as we adjust. Frustratingly no plan was put in by the government to manage transition. Now we’ve made the decision, we need to adapt and, being Brits, we will very quickly.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I’m afraid that is all nonsense. Most of our employment rights are EU derived. I hope you enjoy the deregulated economy the Tories will bring in now.
            It was never 50m a day, and if you believed that statistic, exposed as a lie over and over again, you have been fooled.
            We were able to argue our case with EU regs. Now we will have to accept them without any say so, the way Norway and Switzerland do.
            As for the economic argument, you’ll see. Thats all I can say. You’ll see. I hope you are independently wealthy as prepare for unemployment to skyrocket.
            Remember me when an elderly or failing Putin invades Estonia, Finland or Ukraine to bolster his support and plunges the world into war.

          • Alpharius

            You drank the coolaid. Come visit us in America and join the Trump campaign.

        • Spacefrisian

          Well at least you get youre own fishing waters again….even if the fish you like is dwondling rapidly…

          But you might lose Scotland according to some UK news channels. They gotten alot of money from the EU.

          • Manwiththedogs

            Here’s hoping! The EU is a far more progressive entity than England so it’ll be a better fit.

        • Manwiththedogs

          I’m hoping this gives Scotland the guts to leave the UK and join the EU.
          Overwhelming majority here voted against leaving. Then build a gigantic Trump wall to keep all those non-progressive Englanders out.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I hope so too, and I hope I’m allowed to go and live there.

          • So do we!

            😉

          • Manwiththedogs

            Mate, that’s exactly what I was thinking! Wall ourselves in and break out the chainsaws!

        • Thomas Gardiner

          Goddamn it man, you are bringing the FIRE today. Agree with every. Single. Word.

    • wibbling

      ‘Insulars’? The UK is now free to trade with the world. That’s a good thing! Why would you want to leave a country now able to set it’s own even more liberal, economically positive agenda?

      The UK has just turned back to face the world instead of the cold dark of the failing EU.

      • JN7

        It’s nice to see you are consistently ignorant on all fronts.

  • Master Avoghai

    Actually the good deals for non uk players are for now…

    Once the brexit will be in place, you’ll have custom tax that will apply for goods from both side.

    Then it will compensate the fall of the £…

    Waiting for £ to fall to 1.1€ and it will be summer of FW porn for me!!!

  • Shawn

    Yeah! Huzzah! And all that. As an American, I am happy for Britain. This means more control over your own destiny financially and socially. Congratulations!

    • euansmith

      Well we can certainly expect a greater degree of Americanization over here; erosion of workers rights, greater cuts in the welfare state, more corporatization, a drift deeper in to the psychopathic mindset of the Libertarians. BRIIIITAIN, F@%K YEAH!

      • daonemdt

        ……the sequel to team america.lol

        • euansmith

          Only this is about Britain, so expect an awful lot more swearing.

          • Shawn

            What? American’s don’t sear enough? Why I ought to…#!#$!$##$#!~@#$#@ and !@##@@#~@!!%#$ and #$!#$#$#!! Sir.

          • euansmith

            One of my favourite phrases in English means, “This item is non-functional”, or, “the f&%king f&%ker’s f&%ked.”

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        If it wasn’t for my elderly parents and in-laws I would leave the country now so I’d be resident abroad when we technically leave and hopefully gain the right to stay in Europe. I have to hope that Scotland votes for Independence and that I can go and live there.

        • euansmith

          I’ll not be watching TV for quite some time in case the Farrage pops up on screen grinning like a loon.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            there is never a sniper around when you want one.

          • That’s a bit insensitive given the Jo Cox tragedy.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Farage flew Leave campaign aircraft over her funeral, and he also said our independence had been achieved ‘without a shot being fired’ so he hardly deserves any sensitivity.

          • Two wrongs do not make a right. And saying “but I’m not as bad as Nigel Farage” could excuse just about anything.

        • Shawn

          What’s the biggest issue you’re having with this Knight? The ability to move abroad, the ability to live where ever you want in Europe, et. al?

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I tour in Europe two or three times a year and also export instruments to Europe. None of that will be possible now without great expense and paperwork.

            Also I love Europe, particularly Scandinavia, and always felt I’d live there once my parents were gone. Now that is impossible I just feel a tremendous sense of claustrophobia creeping over me.

            The elderly and poorly educated have fucced the situation for the rest of us.

          • Shawn

            Well, I hope this can get resolved. There is no changing, at least immediately, the situation. I recommend overtures to your representatives to ensure your concerns are addressed. It might not be a perfect solution, but it might help.

          • Shiwan8

            Through the magic of passport you are still free to pretty much go where you want to. You can’t stay indefinitely without that paperwork but you can move around.

            Also welcome to Scandinavia any time.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Can’t work without permit. No more free EU health or car insurance in Europe. Can’t take stuff to sell without paperwork and paying duty.

            Could still go, but won’t be able to afford to.

          • Shiwan8

            Oh no. You are going to have to pay for things the rest of us had to pay for already. Poor you.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            thats why the EU existed, so that 560 million odd people didn’t have to pay for these things when they traded with each other. It facilitated trade, which made everyone wealthier. Now we are shut out of that. Sorry if it offends you, but personally I enjoyed being able to move freely between countries and trade. It meant I paid more tax too which made for better hospitals, disability benefits etc etc.

          • Shiwan8

            I’m not offended. Your take on this is perfectly reasonable. I just feel that the benefits from independence are greater than the losses from it.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            the drop in the £ has already cost us, in the added $ value of our national debt, more than decades of contributions to the EU. I don’t see any benefits. Would you like to inform me of these wonderful benefits that were worth giving up so much for?

          • It gave us Nigel Farage. Who doesn’t love that scamp?

      • Shawn

        What do you mean “erosion of workers rights”? We have all kinds of Unions over here. I have quite a few rights as a worker in the U.S. Now welfare, I’ll admit is a problem that needs to be fixed, and Libertarians, I am on the fence about. It seems like they want to be anti-government conservatives, but that doesn’t work either.

        • euansmith

          Currently we get better holidays and sickness for couple of things.

          • Shawn

            Well we get some good holidays and sick leave as well. Labor laws are good in the U.S. The problems, in my opnion, is when Labor Unions overstep their duty.

          • euansmith

            That’s “paid” sick leave I am talking about. I know that some states cover this; but furore over Obama Care was depressing.

          • Shawn

            Obama Care in general is depressing Euansmith. It’s a failed plan and jacked up American’s health costs. And if you can’t afford health care, you get taxed. It’s really stupid and never should have passed, but the dumb Democrats in our country passed the stupid bill without ever reading it. If I could, I’d like to sack all of our politicians and start over.

          • euansmith

            That sounds like a revolutionary idea.

          • Shawn

            Thanks. I’m sure the idea would work for multiple nations!

          • euansmith

            I think that testing the population for psychopathic indicators and barring them from holding office, the world could be a fair nicer place 😀

          • Being a politician should be like doing Jury Service – you get called to do it for a certain amount of time, and then you stop. You should not be able to choose to be a politician.

          • euansmith

            “I’m sorry, I’ll not be able to come in to work for a few months because I’ll be Minister for Sport and Leisure.”

          • Severius_Tolluck

            That was my idea years ago! However that would mean you might get some daft folk in office, so you would need to come up wit ha way to screen potential candidates. Sort of like selective service does for those called to the draft, and have similar exclusions. Like limiting it to maybe Associates level of education or higher, etc. I also wanted one term, maybe two limits only.

          • Yes! No politicians with flat feet allowed! 🙂

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Bazinga, I see what you did there.

          • Drathmere

            The affordable care act has not failed. Millions of Americcans who did not have health care before now have coverage. Insurance companies are no longer allowed to exclude people. Overall, it has worked. Personally I would have preferred a single payer system which would have dumped insurance companies into the dust bin, but what we got was the best repackaged republican plan that we could get.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Single pay would be so much better!

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          Reagan broke the necks of the unions. They used to be much more powerful.

          • Shawn

            No argument there Red.

        • Manwiththedogs

          Ahahaha… SIgh. Workers rights… in America, hilarious man.

          • Shawn

            How so Man? Labor laws in the 19th and early 20th century were practically non-existent. People were worked to death and the work conditions were unsafe and unsanitary. Labor Unions stepped to put a stop gap in place to protect the worker. They were successful. Our country now has enough laws in place that Unions are mostly unnecessary. Work conditions are safer, work places are more sanitary, and employees treated like people and not work animals. As I mentioned above, unions have done little to help it’s constituents in recent decades, but would rather line their own pockets and support political pundits, who align with their political agenda.

          • Manwiththedogs

            Demonising the unions. I take it you don’t work for a minimum wage. Have a look at your fellow developed nations. You don’t do so well and for the richest country in the world I expect better, but if you’re happy with mediocrity, go for it.

          • Manwiththedogs

            Oh, and tell all your Wallmart workers who need foodstamps to get by that at least it ain’t the 19th Century. It’ll make ’em feel better.

        • Ben_S

          Maternity leave?

      • Manwiththedogs

        Which is why we in Scotland need to leave the UK ASAP!

        • euansmith

          I’ll move up there and vote with you 😀

        • Out of the frying pan, into the fire. You think you’d be more influential as the 34th member of the EU than you are now in the UK?

          If I were you I’d enjoy the power you have right now. You’ll miss it when its gone.

    • Andrew Davies

      Hi Shawn, thanks for your support it is appreciated. As a British citizen I hope we take the opportunity for major reform here in the UK. Instead of fretting about the future I would like us to press for a total overhaul of our democratic system, as at the moment it is not fit for purpose.

      We need: Proportional Representation so every vote counts, an elected 2nd chamber (so it has a democratic mandate and legitimacy) and a written constitution to guarantee our rights and the primacy of the people rather than politicians / big business. Also we need reform of how our political parties are funded. Once we have these we will be on solid ground to build a better future.

  • euansmith

    I’m just hoping that my Kickstarter projects all make it in before we lose our “EU Friendly” status. This just adds insult to injury.

    • Shawn

      What kickstarter Euansmith? Tell me more. 🙂

      • euansmith

        … my name is Euan… and I am a kickstarteraholic…

  • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

    “Then the counting began and it was clear the people of the United Kingdom had another path in mind for their nation. ”

    It was a very narrow win for Leave. Please don’t think this represents any consensus among the UK population. Scotland voted 63% Remain for example. Our country is very divided right now. Personally I am very, very upset. This will impact my life in multiple ways and possibly destroy my business. A sad day.

    • It may not mean much, but I hope you and yours land safely after all is said and done. Scary times ahead…

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        thank you.

    • wibbling

      If I could ask, what is your business? Almost nothing will change within the next two to three years. During that time you can plan around it.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        I make historical reproduction musical instruments, lecture and teach about that subject, gig and run workshops in the UK and Europe, and also do schools workshops (this last part of the business will be unaffected unless schools are hit hard financially by a failing economy, which may happen).

        • Admiral Raptor

          Your business sounds very unique and interesting. I hope things go well for you.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            thank you 🙂

            You might even have heard some of my instruments, if you watch The Vikings TV series, the band Wardruna who played on much of the soundtrack use things I’ve made (my only claim to fame!).

          • Alpharius

            I like that show! Thank you for your contribution! I will see you in Valhalla! I will stab you in the face a few times (ya know, to say hello), and then we can go to the great hall to wench, drink, and play Valhalla 40K.

    • Actually, the nature of the voting (i.e. not first past the post) means it DOES represent a consensus among the UK population. If you don’t like the result, that’s democracy in action. There were pockets of voters that were 70+% for Brexit. So what? The geographical results mean nothing. It’s the total for the UK that counts.

      The big question for your business is how vengeful the EU will be, but prior form (not kicking Greece out of the Euro, rolling over to Turkey’s demands for Visa-free travel), show that the EU is more interested in appeasement and deferring problems than petty point-scoring.

      Both the UK and the other EU countries have too much at stake to destroy everything. There will still be ways to do what you’re doing business-wise. The restrictions will be felt when trying to live in another country temporarily.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        its about a 38% vote to leave, of the eligible voters. Hardly a consensus.

        • That’s a tired argument, rolled out every time there’s a result people disagree with.

          With a democracy, you have to assume that the people who don’t vote don’t mind either way. Or they’d vote.

          And it pretty much happens with every election, anywhere. The total number of votes for the winning side is less than 50% of the total population. Again, it’s democracy, and it’s the best option given the alternatives. Whether we like the results or not.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            this is why we have a representative democracy, for the same reason we have judges, because complex issues require professional, trained, educated people to manage them.

            The referendum has sidestepped that, and has meant that uninformed people, swallowing lies peddled by cynical politicians, have decided this issue on the grounds of prejudice in the face of advice from every political party, the WTO, IMF, Bank of England etc etc etc. The majority of Leave voters were the poorly educated and elderly.

            It is a minority of the voting age populace who voted leave, and yet everyone will have to face the consequences.

          • Whoa there! Are you suggesting that “stupid” people shouldn’t be allowed to vote? That’s a very dark path you’re taking.

            And just to nit-pick, a minority of the voting age populace voted to remain too. 🙂

          • Andrew Davies

            Sorry but I have to strongly disagree. Democracy is about people having and equal voice e.g. vote. The EU referendum was real democracy in action as every vote counted unlike in First Past the Post (used for general elections) where only swing voters in swing seats count. Asked a direct question and given a proper democratic opportunity to express themselves the British public voted to exit the EU, no ifs buts or maybe’s. It was a legitimate straightforward vote. If people don’t like the result, tough!

            As for restricting voting / decision making, as others have pointed out that leads down a very dark path. If you want to venture down that path you can but be warned it only leads to violence.

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    This does not cure the problems that are ailing the UK. It exacerbates other problems. I would not be surprised to see Northern Ireland break away and, if not fully join with the Republic, then have some kind of dual-state federation.

    Scotland is stuck. They had their chance to leave.

    I feel sorry for all the people who emigrated to the UK from other parts of Europe. Most of them are going to be kicked out.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      I think it will be very hard for Westminster to deny the Scots another referendum now.

      If EU nationals lose their right to stay here I will lose so many friends here.

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        I don’t know if the leave the UK campaign could win, considering how it had pinned the hopes and dreams of the country’s finamces in oil and oil really isn’t doing well currenrly.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          but when the UK economy is tanking and EU funding no longer available a future even without oil looks better. Scotland can receive all those businesses who will be leaving a non-EU Britain in droves.

        • And they have to qualify for membership to the EU, they can’t jump the queue ahead of the others. New EU members are forced to join the Euro now. Not to mention that a lot of EU Brit-haters don’t discriminate between English and Scottish. I don’t think Scotland joining the EU will be a smooth or instantaneous process.

    • euansmith

      I think you might want to check out the history of Northern Ireland. There is probably as much chance of the North volunteering to join the South as the NRA backing Gun Control.

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        The two Irelands will now have huge problems trading and visiting one another, since the open border has to be shut down (since Ireland is still apart of the EU). The majority of Northern Ireland votes to stay. It really depends on how much the EU matters to the Northern Irish and how being shackled to the UK feels to them. Like I said, full union may not happen but even breaking away and joining the EU separately would basically be 2 systems, 1 Ireland.

        Also, people said the same thing about the two Germanies.

      • Shawn

        I think you hit the nail on the head there Euansmith. However, I do hope that the NRA does prevent what I call “stupid gun control” as in take all our guns, or make it virtually impossible to own guns.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        in a couple of generations when Catholics are in the majority it could happen, but not now.

        • euansmith

          Those Catholics; they’ll do that to you.

          https://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            ah what a classic!

          • Shawn

            I know that Monty Python is just making fun of Catholics here, but I get the impression that, since Reformation, the British don’t have a great love for Catholics.

          • Sonic tooth

            Majority of modern irish people are only catholic in loosest of terms. Everyone i know is agnostic apart from older generstion. American stereotypes of what the irish are like are offensive and extremely outdated. Im not talking about famine emmigre conservative irish americans, im talking abput modern irish people who are extremely liberal.

          • Shawn

            That’s too bad. I’m American Irish and Catholic.

          • euansmith

            It was been bad in the past; you were once unable to hold public office if you were a Catholic. Things have eased off a lot; though you still get pockets of Sectarianism; like Glasgow and parts of Northern Ireland.

          • Shawn

            Wow.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Yeah historically
            Irish were treated awfully by the English and other nations at large. Usually because “they are catholic” , but often simply because they are Irish! Heck in a sense they were the first true slaves in the Americas through Indentured servitude. Most of Ireland’s trees were cut down to make English Manors. Used as fodder for several wars and always shut down when they rose up! Hardee rebellion, The 1916 which lead to the IRA, etc! I think one of the most interesting papers on the matter was written in the 17th Cent.. “A modest Proposal”

          • euansmith

            I like when the IRA invaded Canada back in 1865.

          • If you listen to British comedy, you’ll find they don’t have a great love for anything if there’s a laugh to be had about it. 🙂

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Fair Crop

    • Sonic tooth

      Sorry but here in the ROI we are quite happy being seperate from northern ireland and its problems thank you very much

      • Shawn

        The Real Ireland.

        • Sonic tooth

          Yes not your romantic potato land st patrick fantasy

  • Darth Bumbles

    Isuspect GW will increase prices for the Australian market to recoup loses.

  • NagaBaboon

    I am embarassed to be British today. Well more than usual anyway.

    • Shiwan8

      Why? You want to be under the control of Germany and France?

      • Charon

        Hint: IF you think your were under control of germany and france, you are still. You just gave up your right to cast your vote.

        • Shiwan8

          Well, they do not dictate the policies for brits anymore.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            yes they do, just now we don’t get a seat at the table where those policies are decided.

          • Shiwan8

            Ok, let me rephrase. Unless the British politicians are a bunch of weak pussies they will not bow down under the EU dictatorships pressure but rather do what is best for the country in any given situation.

            The Brits are famous for having a backbone. Now’s the time to prove that fame to be well founded. If they fail at that then sure, getting out of the cluster f*ck that is EU means nothing.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            our politicians embody an alarming combination of corruption, incompetence and blindness to the sufferings of their own people.

          • Shiwan8

            Just like all politicians do. And?

          • memitchell

            Please tell me Brexit was based on more reasoning than this nonsense. We have our own fact-free, conspiracy theory spewing candidate over here. Hopefully, ya’ll are the exception, rather than the rule.

          • Shiwan8

            I’m not particularly familiar in your situation. I could not give you more than an educated guess.

          • Charon

            I dont think you understand the implication:

            GB: We would like to export our sheep to you.
            EU: Oh fine. Are they raised, fed and kept like under EU law?
            GB: No. We have our own rules.
            EU: Thats fine… come back when you adjusted your rules accordingly.
            Russia: Oh.. I will take them… for half the price.

            You can have as much backbone as you want. Your backbone does not change basic economy rules. It does not matter if you are in the EU or not. If you want to trade with any Nation or union you have to follow their standards or you are not allowed to trade.

          • Shiwan8

            And the money the country saves from not being the piggybank for EU more than compensates for the trading problems.

          • euansmith

            I full expect the “Britex Divided” to end up where is belongs; in the pockets of the 1%.

          • Shiwan8

            As usual. One must understand that while we are not slaves we still are very little more to those who hold the reins power in their hands.

          • Charon

            Like every govenment in this world, this money will not end up in your pockets. You can be sure about this. And without your trade, there is less money in your pockets. You are not going to keep the sum you paid, you get a fraction of it.

          • Shiwan8

            That is true. Would you rather have little less resources or be a slave without any real resources of your own?

          • Charon

            The former. Thats why I dont understand why your 60+ generation voted for the later.

          • Shiwan8

            I did not vote. Could not even if I wanted to. I’m guessing that that 60+ generation still remembers what it was after the wars and is fed up being practically in the same situation.

            This EU thing has given me slightly cheaper strawberries. That is it. All the increased criminal activity and other wonders of the system outweigh the benefits in my opinion.

          • Charon

            Are you actually saying “remaining in the eu is like the situation after a war”? Really?
            You realize that these “wonders of the system” are golbal wonders right? Unless you vote to exit the globalized world they are going to stay (and even increase).

          • Shiwan8

            In the sense that the money that could be used to further the society now flows to EU to charity causes that literally have no hope of getting better no matter how much you pour money on them.

            I’d like to live in a world where common criminals could not freely travel from place to place. Now we have organized crime here that we never had before and it’s all because of EU. Just an example. It would take too long to analyze all the crap that EU brings while the actual benefits really are just that Spanish strawberries are slightly cheaper here that they would be if this country was not a part of EU.

          • Charon

            This money will still flow to the EU in the form of fees and taxes. But without the help for Scottland and Ireland.
            You have organized crime here because single ciminals understood that it is better to act as a group. That they can achieve more as group and are harder to find as a group.
            This is not because of the EU, it is because of the globalization of the world. Neither the mafia nor the Yakuza or the Russian mafia was an “invention” of the EU.
            If you really think that is is “lol just strawberries” ask Ireland and Scottland about havin no other impact or benefit.

          • Sonic tooth

            I presume you are talking about northern ireland and not republuc of ireland

          • Shiwan8

            Yeah, no. The organized crime we used to have was miniscule at best. Now the crime rates are off the charts. EU only in Scandinavia only Sweden had significant organized crime and even that was foreign in origin. Now only Norway is safe. All thanks to EU. The scandinavia as a zone is poorer because of it, more dangerous because of it and has no hope of getting better because of it.

          • Charon

            Damn you EU. They even installed the Russian Mafia in russia!

            So… Austria is also in the EU… and crime is falling every year.
            I guess we export our criminals then?
            Sorry but your assumtion has no base.

            post hoc ergo propter hoc

          • Shiwan8

            At least try to make your strawmen somewhat convincing. We got the crap from other countries. None of these groups are new. Previously they were just confined within their own countries.

          • Maybe when you’re 60+ you’ll understand. Me, I’ll be long dead of the pox by then. 🙂

          • w0rm

            You mean the fantasy numbers UKIP cites? Well good luck with that 😀

            We’ll see you again at our doorstep once your economy has reached the same level as the northern congo 😀

          • Shiwan8

            I’m not from UK.

          • Thomas Gardiner

            If you think the EU is a “dictatorship” then your worldview is frighteningly steeped in hysteria.

          • Shiwan8

            It’s not much else if you look at it from a single countrys perspective.

          • Shawn

            Well, perhaps Britain can make policies that make the EU irrelevant, so they can’t dicate policies for Brits anymore.

          • euansmith

            You can’t legislate away your neighbours. Even President Trump is thinking about something more concrete.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Zing! Keep em rolling!

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Not realistic.

          • Benderisgreat

            Before you got outvoted by every country that doesn’t care about the UK. (psst! that’s all of them)

          • Thomas Gardiner

            They never did.

          • Shiwan8

            So, you drank the dew.

      • Alpharius

        Get an education please, you embarrass yourself with every post.

        • Shiwan8

          So, you had no argument, did not agree and instead of admitting the obvious you decided to pull the authority card. Roger that.

  • pokemastercube .

    so main thing is for those of you outside the UK: quickly order anything you want in £ so you can pay less…….untill you hit any customs charges you have in your country

  • Spacefrisian

    So Brexit…i guess them Scottish peeps will vote again soon if they want to leave Great Brittain, apparantly they gotten alot of money from the EU…Goodbye Great Brittain hello Little Brittain?

    • Thomas Gardiner

      As a Scot and proud European, I desperately hope we grab independence with both hands and join the EU as soon as possible.

  • DeathBy SnuSnu

    As a war gamer that lives outside the UK, US and Europe I’ll certainly be keeping a close eye on the GBP. It’s very likely to increase the amount of war gaming figures I order from the UK. Unfortunately I’m too cynical to think it’ll be more than a temporary adjustment. I expect the GBP to recover, it’s just a matter of how long that will take.

  • Admiral Raptor

    The people of Britain chose their future, good for them. I have no strong feelings either way, but I understand the distrust of giant supranational bureaucracies.

    It will be interesting to see in the long term if this causes the break up of the UK. I hope not, but I can also see how at least the Scots might want to hold another referendum about it.

  • TB0N3

    Nice. Now I just need Trump to win in america for the dollar to crash equally. Cheap miniatures for everyone!!!!!!!

  • CatachanCommissar

    Voluntary interactions are king, let’s all secede from the governments and be individuals.

  • C Byron

    Come on Yanks, get thee to eBay, this is just the excuse Ive needed to clearout my lead pile by offering international postage on everything.

  • Jonathan B.

    Well, I was looking for an excuse to buy a primarch model and some other things from Forgeworld…

    • Benderisgreat

      So was I. Still looking….

  • Shane Hudson

    Well, I foresee GW jacking up the prices again to remain ‘competitive’.

  • ChubToad

    I’m in no way connected to Britain, so my opinion is just from an outside witness of the events that happened these past weeks. If I’m wrong in anything please feel free to politely correct me.

    While I think I understand the background with which people in the UK voted for the Brexit (mainly immigration problems), the economic part of the problem was overlooked. And this is a principal failure of the country leaders who are supposed to manage this in order to avoid economic meltdown. Britain’s exit from the EU will create economic problems for the UK and he world that will endure for years to come.

    In the long run, this will create serious problems with UK based companies and their products. Prices will increase and new cheaper alternatives will be found. GW finally might be on the way down with this since one of the main markets for their products was the EU.

    Aside from the sudden drop in prices this might generate, the long story might be darker in the future, and this might not fare well for GW or any other UK based gaming company.

    • euansmith

      The “immigration problems” are mainly the product of media hysteria which paid off for the Leave Faction.

      • ChubToad

        I can totally understand that, which is part of what I was trying to convey. Leaving the UE has deeper inplications than those related to immigration problems. Which is why we are now seeing these economic backlashes.

    • A public company like GW can just open up a subsidiary in the EU and continue trading more or less as normal.

      I’d worry for companies like Mantic.

      • euansmith

        Maybe Mantic will move their Head Quarters to Luxembourg?

        • And double the population of Luxembourg?

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Nice

          • Benderisgreat

            THIS JUST IN! Epic traffic problems plague Luxembourg, whose overpopulation went to near catastrophic levels when two dozen British nationals emigrated there….

      • ChubToad

        They might and that’ll be a good thing. But I think with the UK leaving, the EU will put several constraints to UK based businesses in “retaliation”. This will empower the local businesses and will make it harder for UK companies to continue doing their thing within the EU.

        I know this might sound apocaliptic but I percieve this as a very serious matter for the world too.

        • The thing is that too many EU businesses rely on the UK market (which is massive), so a tit-for-tat trade war would cause the EU companies to complain.

          It’s all about the money. And that’s why it will end up being business as usual in the end. The apocalypse is not nigh. It’s a stupid and pointless distraction, but the markets will correct themselves.

          Next year, when Merkel and Hollande are gone, then it will get interesting in Europe. That’s why Cameron gambled on having the referendum now, because when that unholy sh1tstorm happens, it would have been a gift to the Brexit camp.

          • ChubToad

            Agreed. But EU businesses have a way around. UK have very small chances of diversifying thier market. It’s either USA or EU, and in that regard, I think EU have the upper hand. Let’s see how this plays out.

            The only thing certain is that no good things will come from this.

          • Reform of the EU is a good thing. It’s sorely needed, and the UK’s sacrifice may be the one thing that will trigger it.

  • If the currency drop is sustained, it’ll be interesting to see if more people are interested in FW stuff

  • memitchell

    The implications for GW games in the US are not straightforward. We pay the US price in US dollars. We pay more than you do in the UK, compared to the exchange rate. Even more, now. That doesn’t change anything for us, only adds insult to injury. Now, purchasing through third parties in UK ducats (forgot what you call your money) should be cheaper. And, so should Forge World (except “cheaper” and “Forge World” do not belong in the same sentence). Has to be done before Britain devolves into a barren post-Apocalyptic wasteland. 😉

  • Anti-Gravity

    LOL @ the Leftist economic fearmongering. As if Britain won’t be able to bounce back from a weak currency after a while.

    It will come back stronger than ever now that it can address its REAL problems. The Leftist Marxists are now scrambling to come up with a working strategy for the future. Ain’t gonna happen! Ha ha ha!

    My friends and I have already started building a shopping list for FW. Can’t wait to take advantage of this soon! So exciting – though I’m wondering how this will affect the actual Games Workshop stores/products in North America. It’ll be interesting!

    • Ah, the Leftist Marxists. So much better than those Rightist Marxists.

      Thank God you’re here – it’s about time we had someone who really knew what they were talking about commenting on this thread.

      • Anti-Gravity

        One doesn’t exclusively define the other, but thanks for coming out anyway. Door’s that way >>

        • Lighten up, Francis.

          Before I go, why don’t you enlighten us with your take on the REAL problems that Britain faces. We’re all dying to know.

          PS did you read what you wrote in your original post? Do you think it actually makes sense?

          • Anti-Gravity

            LMAO please, as if I’m going to take your bait and get banned.

            Deal with it, your camp lost and Britain will be better off for it.

          • Okay, so now this is interesting. 🙂

            Your opinion would get you banned? So I guess you have offensive opinions. Being Anti-Gravity isn’t that offensive. In the context of Brexit, I’d say they’re probably racist opinions. Amirite?

          • Anti-Gravity

            ‘Offensive’ opinions. Truly a PC Liberal. Keep basing your rhetoric on your feelings instead of facts.

            This is why the referendum went the way it has – people are sick and tired of it.

          • You don’t think racism is offensive?

          • Anti-Gravity

            Why have you jumped to racism? What are you on about? You’re the only one mentioning race here. LOL, stay mad.

          • Then explain to us why you think your opinions would get you banned. Nobody, not even Big Red, bans people for espousing Keynesian Economics.

            What are these REAL problems Britain faces?

          • Anti-Gravity

            I’ve had another account reprimanded for mentioning feminism in a SoB thread (in 2013). It is obvious to me that BoLS doesn’t like ideologies discussed too much – it’s the only reason I mentioned being banned. I don’t want to be suspended again that’s all.

            It had nothing to do with race – ideology and politics aren’t a ‘race’. I understand why you brought it up though, it’s an easy route to take when you want to silence opposition.

          • Stealthbadger

            From what I understand Daniel Hannan has rowed back from any pledge that leaving the EU will curb immigration. I am sceptical of this until I find a first hand source but it took Farage 20 minutes to reverse the inference the money we would save on EU fees would be spent on the NHS.

            https://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/nigel-farage-says-the-million-pledge-to-fund-the-nhs-w?utm_term=.bqLAoz4MrE#.wkpJwn75gl

            If you voted leave I respect that and that’s how democracy should work. But I’m sorry to say they’ve lied to you. Boris J wants to take his time before invoking article 50. Why? Because he has no plan, never did. Didn’t expect to win you see, it was a power play for the party leadership to then run on a further anti Euro basis for the next general election. Now he’s having to stall but Juncker isn’t going to allow that.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36618317

  • Benderisgreat

    Generally good for Britain, and better for FW enthusiasts. Buy those Warlords before the Pound rebounds, folks!

    • Stealthbadger

      Out of curiosity why is this good for Britain in your view?

      • He means it’s good for the Generals.

        • Stealthbadger

          It’s weird, ive yet to meet any of the 17million who voted out. The only guy I know of is this and if you watch the video you’ll see why this vote is do tragic

          http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29?utm_hp_ref=uk

          • Maybe people aren’t admitting it to you. I’ve met lots. And no, I don’t hang around in strange clubs. 🙂

            Most of them were working class, some were non-EU 2nd/3rd generation immigrants. Typical Labour voters, actually. That’s where the Remain camp lost the battle. Corbyn let everyone down.

          • Stealthbadger

            Maybe, i think people are just angry. Sadly they’re the ones going to suffer. Just look at Sunderland, the first county yo declare out and Nissan are already issuing “no comment” on future investment.

        • Benderisgreat

          See my response, thanks.

      • Benderisgreat

        It’s good for British sovereignty, border/immigration controls, EU regulations were strangling the British economy, the EU entrenched poli/econ interests and prevented reforms, the UK could keep the $$$ it currently sends to the EU (which is a lot; around $19 billion USD).

        And that’s just for starters.

        • Stealthbadger

          are you from the US?

          • Benderisgreat

            My body is in a vacuum-locked tube in an armored space station at an orbital lagrange point.

          • Stealthbadger

            Well rather than rehash the sovereignty point you could read this:-

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/how-does-the-eu-impinge-on-british-sovereignty-and-if-the-uk-vot/

            Ultimately if we want to trade with anyone we’re going to have to agree to abide to their regs. As for border controls were more likely than not to have to agree to freedom of movement just like Switzerland and Norway.

            As for the money sent to the EU, we got a rebate and that’s not including billions for grants etc.

            I think leave were just angry, not stupid, just angry and I don’t blame them. The problem is they’ve just made a decison that’s only going to punish themselves.

          • Benderisgreat

            You know there was a UK before the EU, right? And that open borders aren’t a good idea at all? (oh, look, free-range terrorism) and limitless unwanted immigration) And that sending out billions of pounds and not getting anything out of it is dumb? And that free trade zones are a crock? (let me introduce you to a boondoggle called NAFTA). There are a lot of factors at play here, including sovereignty (which is huge) and the EU since its inception has never been reliable or a good investment of time/energy/money, or, for that matter nimble or wise in its decision making.

          • Stealthbadger

            You are right. Lots of factors in play. I hope this didn’t seem preachy as Brexit have suffered enough of that, it’s been disgusting. The left are vicious when you don’t agree and it saddens me as it means we can’t debate things anymore. Everything has to be extremes.

            We have the result now and gave to accept it, the left can’t whine every tine the vote comes up ‘wrong’. I hope you are proved right, because it’s now in both our interests that you are.

            Good luck out there buddy.

          • Benderisgreat

            Per your comment, it reminds me of something that Craig Ferguson said once on his (pretty good) show on the History channel; that honest discussion is giving way to people spewing invective, and that’s not a good thing. People need to be able to discuss the pros and cons of issues, and in doing so see intellectual merit where it appears on either side of a topic. When they can’t do that and mire themselves in ideology, we’ve lost something and it’s very sad.

            Take it easy out there!

  • Anti-Gravity

    Making a list with friends for FW right now – I’m interested to see how this affects the GW stores in North America!

    In addition to that, if the rumors about FW being sold in GW locations end up being true, the savings will be fantastic. Under the circumstances though, that idea might get scrapped by the execs.

  • Thomas Gardiner

    Well, the political and economic situation became an absolute dumpster fire within minutes of the result, but it’s okay because WE TOOK OUR COUNTRY BACK! FREEDOM! PATRIOTISM! ANOTHER EMPTY PLATITUDE MEANT TO STIR UP FEELINGS OF JINGOISM!

    *scrabbles round the bins outside Lidl for a can of beans*

  • Jay

    Remember Visa uses the past days exchange rate so you might not get the great savings you expect yet – probably getting close though.

  • So, Scotland, about that whole “independence” thing…