Deathwatch Rejoice: Kromlech Frag Launcher

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Deathwatch Players are jumping for joy! The Kromlech Legionary Frag Launcher is here.

The phrase of the day is “good enough for government work”  Is it exactly what you’re after? Probably not, but I’m thinking not many folks are going to be giving your Deathwatch special weapon models the once over with a magnifying glass.  These will work out just fine.

Legionary Frag Launcher – 6,99 €

“This set contains three high quality resin Legionary Frag Launcher designed to fit futuristic 28mm heroic scale heavy armoured troopers. One of the most versatile legion range weapon that enables a legionary to shot with two modes, one as area fragmentation for anti personal best effect or a solid shot which can penetrate heavy armoured troops or even the thickest vehicle armour.”

KRCB158 3d1

 

KRCB158 3d2

 

KRCB158 resin

If you would like to have a chance to win one for free check out Kromlech’s Facebook page.

 

Are you ready to hunt some aliens, heretics and fallen legionaries?

  • ILikeToColourRed

    Personally – I prefer the belt loader on the GW one so will just suck it up and buy more vets

    • mysterex

      Have a look at Anvil Industries take on it. While it doesn’t have a belt fed option the magazine options are pretty good.

      http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Heavy-Weapons/frag-launcher-grenade-cannon-heavy-weapon

      • euansmith

        Anvil’s combiweapons are pretty amazing. The way you can magnetise them is really cool.

        • Grafton Is Dust

          Anvil’s models tend to be solid all-round.

      • nurglitch

        Plus Anvil’s version actually looks like the GW frag cannon with those recoil suppressors on the cannon’s barrel.

      • ILikeToColourRed

        the price on those is a little steep also – £3 for one (is the same as I saw frag cannons on ebay for, albeit briefly)

  • Rufus Der Eisenhans

    So yet another cash in.
    Basing your business model on making compatible parts and riding the coat tails of someone else’s ideas.
    *golfclap*

    • shiwan

      If they sold proper amounts of parts with their kits this business venue would not exist. It is not morally questionable to provide a legitimate service that some other business leaves wide open but it is morally questionable whine about it when someone does that. In my opinion at least.

      • Rufus Der Eisenhans

        So GW are damned that they invented a model, supplied that model, but havent yet supplied it in the exact way that Kromlech have, that GW are at fault?
        Gamers these days, talk about spoilt! (In my opinion at least.)

        • Don’t play dumb, you know his issue is with the number of heavy weapons supplied. and gamers “back in my day” could order bits individually without having to go on eBay or buy 3rd party, talk about spoiled.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            OK lets go back to my day then: ’91
            You could buy LEAD models. Not Resin
            You could order individual parts. Now you cant. Why?
            No more Lead / Metal. The way even that Resin models are made mean that they cannot recycle the resin, so making excess “arms” or whatever is not an option.
            Now GW has swapped to Plastic, and FW have picked up the specialist casting line.
            They produce Heavy weapon kits (with this last addition being the only one that they dont sell as its SO damn new)
            GW Do a hell of a lot. They invent.
            IF GW fail, if they die and fall apart these companies will have nothing. All of their imagination is caught up in copying the greater designs of another company
            They are riding the Coat tails
            But as is typical with this sort of thing, its fine to Bash GW for their Evil Practices, but its not fine to bash ANYONE else.
            This is typical of the hobby, the internet and Gamers in general: GW is an Evil corporate b’stad, everyone else is the little guy, who needs our support. And Damn you if you try to say anything otherwise

          • No, everyone here is amoral and this is an issue of companies doing what is in their best interest, plain and simple. And it’s a virtuous cycle, Kromlech makes parts that make it easier to get an army together, which leads people to buy more GW stuff. You have a chip on your shoulder and it shows, but none of the rest of us care

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Then why do you keep replying? If you dont care?
            I swear Ive not had this much fun in a conversation in YEARS!

          • Don’t care about “coat tail riding” or whatever it is you’ve gotten so riled over, not don’t care about the inane nature of your criticism

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            The thing is, Im not riled. Really really not.
            I find it very amusing at the two faced duplicity and the complete hypocrisy.

            Quite literally, I comment about them being unimaginative, and it is everyone else who has raged about how stupid I am for having that opinion.

            Ask yourself, why are you defending their company model so much? Why do you feel the need to defend them? Why did you reply in the first place?

            Then, go back an reread my comments, and imagine that Im laughing as Im writing them. Cos thats what Im doing.

          • You get off saying dumb things on the Internet, then are amused when people note that your dumb observations are dumb. Congrats, you’re self satisfied in your stupidity, it must be a very affirming lifestyle

          • Grafton Is Dust

            Don’t forget relentlessly replying to pretty much every comment in the thread.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Seriously dude? You are really that upset that you have to post something like that?

            Man, take a chill pill and see this for what it is – a conversation about Toy Soldiers by grown men.

            And, as the great man once said
            “Thats, like, just your opinion man”

          • Not upset at all, stupidity is not worth getting upset over, but it’s always worth pointing out

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            And now who’se the Self Satisfied one?
            Man Ive got to give you a high five – from these posts alone BoLS have got enough Advertising revenue to host their servers for a month!

          • Actually the replies go to my email, I reply from there, it’s way better

          • shiwan

            Never assume malice when the same thing can be just as easily explained by incompetence.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Love it! 😀

          • shiwan

            Can’t take credit for that one. “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” – Hanlon

          • Azrell

            Hanlon’s razor

        • shiwan

          Gamers are going to try to get the most of their codex. In this case this is a unit with 4 frag cannons. GW supplies, what, one? Is it reasonable to demand that people buy 2 boxes to get one squad that makes sense and loads of spare parts without any practical use?

          Another example of this line of thinking is the CSM Havoc squad. You get 4 different heavy weapons which as a build is just pure stupidity. So, you buy 4 units to get one or 2 squads and 10 leftover models. Reasonable? Not in any way.

          If they’d sell the heavy weapons as separate parts so that you can buy any combination you want without having to pay extra then sure, it would work. As it stands it’s cost efficient for the customer to buy a perfectly legit part from a third party supplier if GW simply refuses to supply one of their own. That right there is fair capitalism and GW could avoid the situation if they wanted to.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Well for CSM Heavy Weapons they are a leftover from back in the day – they dont produce those Weapon options anyway.
            FW do supply Heavy Weapons in any flavor in 4’s – Including those illusive Autocannons

            GW also do the SPace Marine Dev Squads. You get 4 Marines in there, BUT you get enough Heavy Weapons for 2 and a half Squads. If you want 4 Grav Cannons yes you are going to have to buy two boxed sets? Unreasonable?I dont think so, not considering how many other Weapons you get.

            Im not arguing that its cost effective.
            Im not even arguing that Kromlech are the worst, at least their models are high quality and good looking.

            Im just calling Kromlech unimaginative.

          • shiwan

            One must understand that if the extra bits are of no use, like heavy bolters and such are, it does not matter how many of those you get, they are still not worth a single penny. I bought 3 Calth boxes and got 9 missile launchers for my heavy support. From the devastator point of view that is all I got. The 9 heavy bolters are no use for me and thus the supposed value you’d like to give them is in my eyes exactly zero. Just as an example.

            The value of a box is exactly what is used from the box. The extras are just trash.

          • Mira Bella

            Eh do you realize that GW copied pretty much everything in their 40k universe? I could provide a lot of examples if you like.
            And you call Kromlech unimaginative?!

          • Xodis

            There has already been an article stating that, but there is a difference in creating Chop Kick Panda which is a direct rip off of Kung Fu Panda, and Cars which is a rip off of Doc Hollywood except that its unique in its rip off and fun.

            TLDR: There are blatant rip offs, and there are inspired rip offs. One of these is actually quite original.

          • Mira Bella

            Say have you ever read a Poem written by Lionel Johnson? Dark Angel for example? 😀
            Or have you ever seen the famous movie Apokalypse Now. You know that one where M. Sheen is trying to kill Kurtz.
            (The Charakter of Kurtz Is actually based on the character of a nineteenth-century ivory trader from the novella Heart of Darkness written by J. CONRAD!) 😀

          • Xodis

            Oh I have heard most of the references before, some are pretty obscure and some not so much.

          • Andrew Thomas

            1 in Death Masque/Overkill, 2 in each Vet box.

          • shiwan

            Still less than 4 per box.

          • Andrew Thomas

            I’m more upset (read: upset at all) about the lack of conventional heavy weapons in the Vet box, and the fact that meltafists require conversion, as Kill Team Cassius is the only way to get 1 purpose-built Meltafist Terminator.

          • shiwan

            The terminator box does not come with one?

          • Andrew Thomas

            Nope, just a standard Terminator box with Deathwatch Shoulder Pad sprue. Does have 2 Chainfists, though, so there’s room to convert.

          • shiwan

            Oh ffs.

          • Andrew Thomas

            Luckily, I’m not running any, or I’d be pissed.

    • Victor Hartmann

      We see that all the time. Automotive, technology, tools, etcetera. Secondary markets are pretty common. GW can decide whether to release a bits option or let the secondary market to fill the gap. I think it would make sense for GW to provide a reasonably priced set of bits. If so, they should do it sooner rather than later while interest is high. If not, they are conceding an opportunity to the secondary market with full knowledge that any gaps they leave will be filled.

      • Rufus Der Eisenhans

        They do provide Bits – Forgeworld.
        This particular bit is, to be fair only available in the one set at the moment, but this doesnt change the fact that Kromlech are just riding GWs coat tails.
        IF they were to apply themselves and make their own models for their own systems then we would see MORE companies and more games that could go head to head. Thats what the free market means.

        Until then, I will consider them unimaginative hacks

        • The market for GW bits is bigger than the market for yet another scifi game that vaguely apes 40k. We already have Mantic, id rather mini manufacturers focus more on making quality Minis then adding more worthless games to the market, that’s what Kickstarter is for

        • Grafton Is Dust

          Free market means the freedom to produce supplementary designs for popular models.

          For example, the Ford Mustang is a Ford design, obviously, but compatible parts are all over the place covering every aspect of its design, allowing a user to truly customise it to their requirements. Very few of those parts are actually made by Ford themselves.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            You are getting confused between the Car Part After Market, which is where you can buy Spoilers of Rims for your car, and OEM which is where a car company puts an order in for parts for their engine, and give permission for those parts to be sold separately as OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)

            The Closest analogy would be that GW would request the White Dwarfs be printed by a third company, and then allow them to send them out directly.

        • Victor Hartmann

          ForgeWorld provides lots of great bits but as noted, this isn’t one of them. If and or when GW and/or ForgeWorld gets around to selling theirs we’ll be able to make matching sets. I really think they should sell them as bits at a reasonable price.

          In the meantime, I don’t see anything wrong with a bits seller selling a different design of the weapon. It’s close enough to make sense but distinct enough that a gamer could prefer that design to equip his own outpost of Deathwatch in a distinctive way. At the same time, purists may reject it on sight because it’s too different. Which is completely fine for their vision of their army.

          If it had been an exact copy, then I’d certainly be against that. But they’re not.

          They are offering customers another option. That’s a good thing.

          Taken a step further, I’d like to see GW offer variations as well so that we can customize our armies. Even if it was simply different poses, that’d be great.

          Basically, I’m all for variety and choice.

    • benn grimm

      Giving the option to take multiples of a weapon option that isn’t then included in the kit, encouraging you to buy whole kits you only need for one or two weapons seems like a bit of a cash in. It also encourages waste.

      Deliberately not selling those parts separately and preventing 3rd party sellers from doing so is what creates the demand for products like this. Is it a cynical cash in? Sure. Is it helpful, adequate for the job and wholly preferable to buying 3 whole kits to get three whole weapons? Absolutely.

      • Grafton Is Dust

        In GW’s defense, they no longer prevent third parties from selling bitz from their kits, and actually have a pretty amicable relationship with bitz sellers.

    • Grafton Is Dust

      Aftermarket parts exist for literally everything. Cars, personal helicopters, mobile phones, bicycles, Gameboys, PCs, etc, etc.

      More variety to the consumer is never a bad thing, and GW hardly suffer as people are still buying the Deathwatch boxsets to attach these parts to.

    • Defenestratus

      The market providing what the consumer wants is now a “cash in”?

      Pity people are so blind to the machinations of the free market and the price system.

      (If the GW price of acquiring additional frag launchers wasn’t so high, nobody would find the need to fill the lower-price niche and this wouldn’t have happened. It’s the very essence of the free market at work)

      • Rufus Der Eisenhans

        Im not blind to it, and I don’t care about it. Im just calling a spade a spade. Their sales model rides GWs.
        They have talent. Why dont they use that more constructively? Probably because they know that they will fail.

    • You mean a really solid business plan that exists in literally every industry? I’m sure the generic cereal CEOs feel really bad about themselves for not being original enough.

      • Rufus Der Eisenhans

        But you dont get companies that sell Cereal that is only usable and compatible with a specific other brand.
        The Car analogy I can see, but even then, their model is based upon riding other peoples coat tails.
        They wont ever invent their own, because they know that they will not be as good, and not sell enough to make a business out of.
        So they copy and ape others

        • You should go to Kromlech’s site, they’ve actually got a ton of cool, original bits.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            I have been
            I would be interested in seeing the sales data of those bits.
            See if my theory holds true – that the truly original stuff of theirs sells as well as the stuff that is just an alternative / Compatible with 40k

        • Grafton Is Dust

          That’s such a dumb argument though. You’re making it sound like augmented designs are worthless, when they’re all over the place for a reason. You can buy replacement parts for your car. You can fit a 120mm Smoothbore to a Challenger II. You can retrofit the ISS with a new Docking Adapter. None of these things were built by the original manufacturer, but another who uses them to augment an existing design to increase its lifespan and improve its utility to the customer.

          It’s entirely free and fair, it’s a cornerstone of our free market and industry would be useless without it.

          Never heard of the phrase, “reinventing the wheel?”

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Yes indeed I have.

            My Point is, and has been throughout all of this, is that YES I am aware that Kromlech are exploiting an Age old part of the Free Market.

            They produce some gorgeous models. I will give them that.

            Its just that, they are copying GW with this kit.

            Its not a Brand New Docking Adapater. Its not a uniquely designed Goober Blaster, for Goobers.

            It is, utterly, a copy of GWs Frag Cannon. And I think that a company that could produce that, could produce so much more.

            Its lazy, and involves no imagination.

            Elon Musk didnt reinvent the wheel, but he is taking Motoring to new and incredibly exciting places.

          • Grafton Is Dust

            Except the two designs are demonstrably different:
            http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/ixzion/2014-08-13021620_zpsf01b4145.jpg

            http://bitsofwar.com/2135-large_bosky/legionary-frag-launcher.jpg

            So they didn’t make a copy, here’s a few examples:
            – Belt ammo vs clip,
            – No recoil mechanism on the barrel of the Kromlech version,
            – Larger shells on the Kormlech version, vs smaller rounds on the GW,
            – Arm guard on Kromlech, not on GW,
            – Different barrel designs,
            – Side-load on GW vs bottom-load on Kromlech,

            The only similarities are that they are a gun, and you carry it in a two-handed manner from the hip.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            And yet BoLS is advertising it as a Frag Launcher…
            I must have misunderstood the Article.
            Hell BoLS must be earning a FORTUNE in advertising on this – Im putting their kids through collage! I should get a Cut!

          • Grafton Is Dust

            BoLS hardly earns a fortune advertising parts for a Warsaw-based miniatures parts company that does aftermarket parts for a niche hobby…

            They’re advertising it as a Frag Launcher because the company who made it call it a Frag Launcher.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Man, people really arent seeing my attempts to keep this conversation light hearted….

          • Grafton Is Dust

            They’re falling pretty flat, mon ami, you haven’t really managed to get the tone across if that’s what you were going for. It sounds more like belligerent anti-fanboy/militant GW fanboy than light-hearted.

            Poe’s Law and all that.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Aw man – Sarcasm is in the mind of writer…

          • An_Enemy

            Your entire argument is against recasters.

            Kromlech didn’t recast anything. Someone designed this model part. People casted this model part. They incurred the same relative cost and risk.

    • Boondox

      Supply and demand. If GW doesn’t supply what we want someone else will and they’ll get our money. I don’t care if it’s GW or some no name Chinese sweatshop making the parts. I’ll find who has the parts I want at the price I want to pay and they’ll get my business.

      • Rufus Der Eisenhans

        I wasnt aware that I had to have a business to be able to comment here. What’s your one?

        I better get myself off to school for a Politics degree, otherwise I cant vote in upcoming elections.

        • Boondox

          My apologies, when you spoke of business models I assumed you owned a business or that you had some knowledge of that career field. I own a business and have a degree in business and now that I know your limitations I can see your argument has even less merit than before. It’s basically you whining about entrepreneurs filling a customer need. If you knew anything about business you’d understand that’s what business is all about…

    • An_Enemy

      You know GW started by making minis for D&D right?

  • ChubToad

    Not a fan, but good to know there are alternatives. Do they have grav cannons?

    • They do that with a lot of kits, I don’t know why

      • Rufus Der Eisenhans

        Possibly because they are an evil company who is only interested in taking your money and making you buy more parts than you’ll need? Oooh where else have I seen that…

        • Grafton Is Dust

          F*cking hell Rufus, did a Kromlech employee sh*t in your kettle or kill your uncle or something?

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Oooh I havent checked.

            Just a quick one here. You can take any company that does this and put it in place of Kromlech’s place: Chapterhouse, Anvilindusties etc etc

            Im just pointing out people’s hyprosity

          • shiwan

            Why do you think people are that?

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            They complain at GWs sales practices and yet defend the smaller companies that do exactly the same. How many times do people accuse GW of copying others ideas?

            Could you imagine what would happen if GW produced compatible parts for other Games Systems? The Rage? The Lawsuits?

            Its fine, nay fashionable to bash GW, but as soon as you bash anyone else…

            I do enjoy pointing this out to people – but people will always reply back with insults and nasty comments, belittling the points I make. Bless the lot of them!

          • shiwan

            Oh, that. I do not care if GW has copied something. Most of the themes out there are copies or based on something that has existed hundreds of years if not thousands.

            Well, if GW does what model part companies do then, well, who could sue them? Why would anyone care?

            By all means, smash and bash any company with questionable morals, bad service or something else like that.

            I hear you, hypocrisies are rampant in western societies discussions that have something even remotely related to morals in them. No real argument usually means insults.

          • Rufus Der Eisenhans

            Its a pleasure to talk to someone who understands. THanks for helping me to see the nice side in this conversation

          • shiwan

            No problem. I doubt that we are the only informed people here though. A lot of this conversation seems to be a misunderstanding on where each of us stands on the matter. I bet there are some opinionated people who really do accept third party manufacturing and sales only if it’s not GW doing it but then again, why would we care about their opinions.

    • euansmith

      Maybe they don’t like Grav Spam 😉

    • ILikeToColourRed

      dunno they do it on all of them

    • Victor Hartmann

      They could be assuming that you already have the 4th via the GW kit. But that’s just an assumption.

  • I’m converting 2 from heavy bolters, personally

  • yorknecromancer

    This really looks nothing like a frag cannon. Plus it costs more than just buying the official version from a bits vendor site, or from eBay (where the current asking price is around £3 to £5).

    And being brutally honest, at that overinflated price, if I wanted them to look like this, I’d just buy the 2nd version of Forge World’s Heresy-era Missile Launcher (the one with the magazine underneath), cut the front of the barrel off, and stick on a bit of styrene rod instead.

    • Grafton Is Dust

      These are 3 for E6.99, so about E2.33 each, (£1.99 at current rate.) Did you think they were E6.99 each?

      • yorknecromancer

        I did think that.

        Hmmmm…

        Nope, even at that price I’d still go Forge World. Or official. Or Anvil. Or scratchbuild my own. Honestly, these are horrid.

        • Grafton Is Dust

          I quite like them as underslung missile laucnhers personally. That said, Anvil’s ones are also cool.

  • Emprah

    Lol BoLS is shilling these counterfeiters so hard, if I were GW I would unleash the lawyers like Mr Burns.

    • Grafton Is Dust

      Counterfeiters? This is in no way counterfeit.

    • Sparowl

      GW already tried that route. They lost. Their lawyers will be happy to teach them words like “precedent” and “frivolous litigation”.

    • shiwan

      How is this a counterfeit?

    • Admiral Raptor

      and you’d lose just like they always do.

  • Xodis

    Eh, if GW didn’t want this to happen they would make all weapon options feasible. Then again there is always scratch building and casting your own bits, so to each their own.

  • JP

    The Frag Launcher has the same profile that came with the Kill Team Cassius rules right?

    • ILikeToColourRed

      3 profiles – all assault 2
      24″ s7 ap 3
      12″ s9 ap 2
      template s6 ap – rending

      • JP

        Holy shart. Did they really add a mini-lascannon shot to it’s repertoire? Is that from the book?

        • ILikeToColourRed

          Yup – i’d add a photo but im not sure how

          it’s actually a special rule on the s7 shot called “impact” that improves the stats at half range (kinda like how meltas have 2 profiles)

  • Jeremy Larson

    Hell, I’m planning on just using my power-armored Grey Knights armed with Psycannons as my DW Vets armed with Fragcannons.

  • uatu13

    That’s pretty damn pricey for a single gun.

    • Sebastien Bazinet

      3 sir!

      • uatu13

        LOL, sorry, missed that. Still might be a better deal to just get more vets since they’re pretty cheap and have lots of bits and options.

  • BloodAngel

    My question is, Why would this be needed? I thought GW had learned their lesson about releasing rules for miniatures that they hadn’t produced yet (Thunderwolves, any one remember that fiasco?) And I thought they learned their lesson when they lost partially in the Chapterhouse litigation. I know they didn’t lose outright, but both parties had partial lossed and partial wins which opened the door for other 3rd party bits manufacturers to do exactly this.
    Did they not release the Frag Cannon with the DW sets they just released? I though they had included everything there are rules for.

    • JP

      Doesn’t matter. As I understand it, the ruling of the case was simply that third party producers can’t make WHOLE models for a unit if GW does it first. There’s nothing stopping them from making their own version of individual bits. Though Kromlech might be pushing their luck with the name. That’s what really started the whole mess with Chapterhouse in the first place.

      • BloodAngel

        Right. My point exactly. My question was: Did GW not release a frag cannon model with the Deathwatch sets they just released, thereby leaving a need that could be filled by 3rd partys? Or are they just like one to a kit like the melta and combi weapons used to be so you would need to ton of them for some lists, causing some people to look to buy them in bulk, or from bits sellers?

        • BloodAngel

          Anyway, Its only a matter of time before the chinese resin cast ones start showing up for a cheap. At least they look like the official GW model. You would think that by making like only 1 available per box or something like that (if that is the case here) they would just KNOW that’s an open invitation for anyone and everyone to undercut them. I don’t get why they don’t just make more available per pack.

          • JP

            The sprue pics on GW’s website for the 5 man Kill Team have just one frag cannon on them. On the plus side, they have a crapton of chapter shoulder pads that look totally awesome. I imagine those will be sold by bits merchants willy nilly.

          • BloodAngel

            Ah, ok. As I thought. Just not putting enough of them per set. But popular enough where you want more. Got it.
            I can almost guarantee the Chinese and Russian re-casts will be incoming imminently.

  • georgelabour

    I guess if you’re only getting on squad and want to save…fifty cents over buying from bits traders these , or the anvil industries variant, aren’t bad options.

    Still if you’re going to field four or more Veteran squads I imagine most folks will do something similar to how I run my Skitarii. One squad with all one special weapon type, two squads with two of each of another kind, and a final squad that’s bare bones or equipped for close combat.

    Plus I don’t really much care for their design. I think GW’s is actually the more functionally stylish version for what is basically a grim dark version of the XM307.

    To each their own I guess.