40K Fall of Cadia: GW Spills More Beans

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There’s another round of images and info on the 40K campaign book headed your way just after the New Year.

images via GW (Twitch)

GW Eddie and the Gang spilled a lot of beans on the upcoming “Fall of Cadia” campaign book headed your way the first week in January.  Here’s what they had to say and show:

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Here’s the Dynamic Duo showing off the back of the book and the rules page of one of the new characters, the Adeptus Mechanicus Magos Belisarius Cawl.  Note the hand covering the page with the Canticles rules… sneaky!

Fall of Cadia Basics:

  • 13th Black Crusade confirmed – led by the Warmaster, Abaddon.
  • The book features three new plastic characters, whose minis have been revealed today.
  • This book kicks of a grand story-ark that will continue into 2018.
  • Book focusses on the full weight of the Chaos forces assaulting Cadia.

 

 

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Celestine and an army of Seraphim (top left) dive into the Chaos fray to aid beleaguered Cadians.

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Next some art from the book, which ties directly in with the theme mentioned today by GW of Saint Celestine leading a host of Black Templars and Sisters into the Caidan Gate to stick a big Imperial boot right in Chaos’ butt!

Next we see some of the other angles of the big three character minis in the campaign book:

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Inqusitor Greyfax – side angle.

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The ancient Ad-Mech Magos Belisarius Cawl. He was described as being T6, W5 and has a 10,000 year old secret project I have a feeling will be revealed in the book.

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Saint Celestine, from the back.  Just a stunning model! 

~More as it comes in!

 

  • dinodoc

    Why do I fear we’re about to be Sigmared?

    • Nathaniel Wright

      Because you want to go into 2017 with something to complain about.

      • Brandon Rutter

        i think the majority feeling is that the game will get a little less complex in the next edition, but not as complete an overhaul as WFB to Aos, or does that sound wrong? I played WFB, I play Aos now, and, if they tighten up the whole 40k rules/armies,etc., I will get sucked back into that probably also. I better just make an all-games daemon army…

        • memitchell

          If it is a boardgame, I will HAVE to buy it. Dammit!

          • dave long island

            Just roll with it, and make room for it in the budget… Grandma’s operation will just have to wait… lol

        • Dave

          40k could certainly use some simplification and tightening up. While AoS is still a decent game I have issues with the removal of rank and file and focus on “sigmarines.” I say that not so much as an insult as so much as I literally forgot what they are called and dont care what they are.

          Like the Astra Millitarum in 40k, I like the idea of Bretonians or citizens of the Empire fighting off against outrageous monsters and daemons, I’m not saying AoS sucks, but it has almost as many improvements as it does flaws.

          • Muninwing

            … and the improvements should be used when appropriate in future generations.

            but many of the flaws were totally avoidable, and come off as rather sloppy.

          • CatachanCommissar

            They took a low, gritty, rank and file fantasy game and turned it into a high fantasy skirmish game. AOS is not what I got into warhammer fantasy for and I hate it. It’s the hottest of garbage to me.

          • DeadlyYellow

            … what a grossly liberal interpretation of low fantasy.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Yeah when you have “High elves” dragons, and such.. that is not exactly low fantasy…

          • CatachanCommissar

            Should I have said commoner focused fantasy?

          • Xodis

            Because nothing about WHFB is “Low Fantasy”. Its much higher than LotR, and LotR is considered high fantasy.

            I dont think anyone disagrees that AoS is much higher than WHFB, but its actually considered Epic Fantasy since it goes really out there.

          • CatachanCommissar

            OK then my statement should henceforth read I’m mad they replaced high fantasy gothic rank and file with epic fantasy skirmish. Good to know, thanks!

          • BaronSnakPak

            You know that Stormcast didnt replace every human army, right? Theyre just ANOTHER army you can play with.

            It’s not like GW came up with them, put them on store shelves, and went around burning everyone’s collections of Bretonian and Empire minis. They also didnt change the rules for Stormcast either. Theyre literally just an additional faction.

          • CatachanCommissar

            I’m very aware, they nuked the setting though and the playstyle which are both very important for me. They destroyed every place I ever fought over or where my characters lived. So I do not play AOS, it’s not for me. I continue to play in the earlier setting using 6th edition rules with my local friend group. I just want other people who don’t like this setting to know they aren’t alone.

          • BaronSnakPak

            Hey, whatever trips your trigger, but those places/settings are all imaginary anyway. My point stands that GW may not write about them any more, but that doesnt mean theyre stopping anyone from playing the game “where and when” they want to. Like using 40k minis to play 30k, and vice versa.

            Also, your comments about how its all focused on Stormcast, and they “replaced hard working farming people” made it sound like you were entirely too hung up on one optional faction.

          • CatachanCommissar

            No kidding. And I like all old factions. Just because I say one thing doesn’t mean I don’t like others.

          • wibbling

            I find it funny that you’re trying to build some sort of rapport with other people who dislike something. It’s so utterly pointless and self defeating. Go and find a community who *do* like something.

          • DeadlyYellow

            It’s a shift in tone and aesthetic, rather than a jump between non-exact typifying genres with generally accepted baselines.

            Problem is, I don’t know where they could have gone to keep the setting interesting. The Old World had venerability on it’s side, but was largely indistinguishable from the flood of fantasy settings on the market anymore.

          • kobalt60

            ‘magical fighting armoured suits with stupid faces’ is by far my favourite description of sigmarines. +9 internets to you

          • Jagi Helmet

            >low, gritty, rank and file fantasy

            Elves riding on dragons, wizards dropping meteors, and divine orc feet have been in Warhammer Fantasy since the 80’s

          • CatachanCommissar

            We already solved this, thanks though.

          • wibbling

            That’s nice for you, play something else and tell us about that.

        • kevinharoun

          I’m looking forward to a rules overhaul along the lines of “Burning of Prospero”.

          • Nyyppä

            That’s actually pretty good. Not for proper sized games of 40k but maybe something like 500p.

        • grim

          The game will and needs to a way simpler. Makes the game marketable to a larger market and is actually fun.

      • ZeeLobby

        Yup. Anyone who shows concern about the hobby they love must be a whiner.

        • Josh Heinz

          Only if they keep beating the “AoS Sux!” horse. It came out rough, picked up a lot of momentum, and now is a pretty awesome game. If 40K gets rebuilt with today’s AoS in mind, we have a lot to look forward to.

          • Crevab

            Unless they disagree. Then they’re just a whiner, right?

          • Ross Allan

            Are they being constructive in their criticism, or simply dropping in to to say how a game one suspects they’ve not really played r the suxxorz?

            Because if it’s the latter, it’s definitely whining. Aimless and largely baseless.

          • ZeeLobby

            The OP just seems to be sharing a concern that 40K may be in for a mix up similar to WHFB. Is there something wrong with that?

          • Sz

            Nah– I, for one, still thinks AoS kind of sucks, and pray 40k, while needing to reduce the bloat, won’t go even half as far

          • Karru

            AoS is good from a strategic view similar to that of chess. This has a massive upside and a massive downside. Upside is that it’s very good game strategy wise at his has lots of options in that department. Downside is the fact that it doesn’t matter who I am playing against, my army will always perform pretty much the same each time as long as the dice rolls are in my favour.

            I don’t want this to happen to 40k. I don’t want to be able to bring ANYTHING I want to a game and do great. Thinking about your list composition and having to choose between different weapons should be a core element in a table top game. Some weapons should be extremely effective against certain enemies, for example Flamers are great against Orks or Tyranids, but nigh useless against Terminators. I can take a Plasma Gun to deal with the Terminators but now my gun is overkill against Orks and Tyranids which might mean I don’t have enough firepower to take them down before they get to me.

            AoS doesn’t have this side at all. There are so many weapons and even units that are an instant no-go just because the other weapon is so much better in every situation. Example, Bloodreavers. They have the option to take Reaver Blades or Meatripper Axes. They are exactly the same but Meatripper has -1 rend. Reaver Blades get to re-roll 1’s to hit. Why would I ever take Reaver Blades when I can easily just give them re-rolls from another source that would also make it so they re-roll all failed to hit rolls and give them that -1 rend?

          • matty199

            Omg i respect you opinion as its yours but really hate it. list writing is what kills these games
            Im sick of meta and pre defined lists
            I hope they fully aos 40k but balance it
            The only thing is they need to keep armour pen for vehicles

          • Traitor8

            Making lists is a huge part of the fun of the game for me.

          • Karru

            Sorry, but list building is still very much part of AoS as it is 40k. The difference between the two is that in AoS I have no need to specialise my units. I just look at a spreadsheet which tells me which weapons cause the most wounds and suddenly 80% of the units and weapons are obsolete. It doesn’t matter what army my opponent plays, it will perform just as well as it did against someone else as long as my dice rolls are average.

            In 40k it vastly different. I can make my list filled with Grav as it is said to be the “most optimal” weapon and spam it to my hearts content. Then boom, I face a Green Tide army of 100+ Boyz and 30+ Nobz. Suddenly all my “mega powerful” Grav weapons are utterly useless thanks to me wounding them on a 6+.

            It’s not the list building that is the problem, it’s the lack of character between fights. I don’t care if I am fighting Warriors of Chaos or Empire any more. Normally I should take Greatweapons and AP weapons against Warriors of Chaos and maximum number of attacks against Empire. Now I just look at the highest possible amount of wounds caused weapon/unit and boom, that’s it. That is the lovely result of fixed stats.

          • grim

            Well said sir!

          • Viktor Julian

            Touchè!

          • matty199

            Your last point is interesting, i dont know about the lack of flavor side as i dont like ‘flavor’ in rules as it is usually overdone but in how lists are built in aos

          • grim

            Exactly. I’m really hoping it’s balanced and lots of army options and buying a box of guys is actually good. I feel like right now on 40k u buy a box and u go straight to eBay for more of a special weapon…

          • Muninwing

            making lists is a part of the game. it shouldn’t however, be the thing that decides the game. and it seems like there’s plenty of that in AoS as there was in WFB.

            i get sick of the meta.
            i get sick of netlists.

            but that would go away with better balancing. that has nothing to do with AoS.

            my big concern is that AoS is largely not tactical on the same scale. you have units that do certain things. you do them. your units are better or worse at doing them than your opponent, or your opponent does different things. add it up at the end.

            in contrast, if i’m playing 40k i frequently have units that fill many battlefield roles, who attempt to achieve multiple objectives. thus, i need to know how to react to my opponent’s actions, what to do in what order depending on their style of play, and when to ditch a losing strategy in favor of a winning one. it’s very hands-on, not autopilot.

            what he describes above is describing that idea of play-on-autopilot. that an army will play the same way all the time against every opponent, and will always look the same and be equipped the same and feature the same units.

            this is a magnification of the complaints that many people have had over the years about WHF and 40k, and these complaints are what lead directly to the extreme we have now in 40k. only certain units are “good” in a given environment due to the auto-picks of others, meaning that more and more of them appear on the tabletops.

            the Bloodreaver weapon choice is no different than a CSM player deciding at listmaking time (or even buying time) whether to include Mutilators or Warp Talons.

            for all its new ideas that work well, there’s a certain predictable shallowness to AoSthat was already a problem in both 40k and WHF. and that’s what has worried me about it from the beginning, seeing that it means more needed upkeep to continue it’s head staying above the water. the GHB seems to have dulled that somewhat, but has not eliminated it, meaning that it’s just going to be a problem again later…

          • Karru

            This is what I call the “Magic: The Gathering” effect. You make yourself a list. That list will have the same effect against your opponents as long as the dice are at least average and your list is “balanced”. I have no need to make adjustments depending on my opponent. This makes normal games that much more boring, as you face the same army and list over and over again. Even if you change your own list, you find yourself either extremely gimped or the style will remain the same.

          • Valeli

            I see where you’re coming from and sort of (mostly?) agree.

            But at the same time (most) of my 40k/fantasy games were based on using my take all comers list, and I’d have personally felt it pretty unethical to suddenly swap in a b list holding a ton of flamers if I knew I was about to face orks (or, whatever).

            Was using an all-comers list atypical? I know most of the people around me did too, at the very least.

            I do think AoS lists lost some character perhaps,which is a shame. That was hardly my #1 issue though.

          • Muninwing

            yep. and it’s one of the many ways that 40k etc have suffered as more people crossed from one mindset to the other.

            i remember playing M:tG as a kid (it came out when i was in high school, gave it up in college). i remember how the big challenge was to construct my own deck so that it would play well. i remember that i could play a style of solitaire to see if i had enough land and if my preferred spells would come up.

            each deck played a certain way. figuring out how to optimize that certain way, and how to play it well, was the entire way the game was played.

            40k is different. it’s much more reactive. momentum matters. making choices that force choice in your opponent matters. how your units are best, second-best, and worst used are all important. the whole focus on unbeatable lists that play themselves that the super-competitive have latched on to actually undermines the type of game that it is.

            that’s why i’m a major proponent of balancing the game. without these shortcuts and exploits, people would actually have to learn how to play.

          • matty199

            Totally agree on your points about balance
            Disagree on no tactics in sigmar, after you play a few games you start to see the tactics in game
            In my opinion kow is far more tactical than wfb (ie as in mourvering for advantage rather than gw style tactics which reminds me of magic the gathering ability stacking and rules manipulation) but they represent different types of combat scales ie large blocks of troops would be in the thousands not hundreds but i am starting to enjoy sigmar more
            However at the end of the day these are gw games so the tactics will be dubious at best so i focus on fun

          • ledha

            using this example as “there is no listbuilding in aos” is the same as using the harlequin example of superiority of kiss over embrase for saying “there is no listbuilding in 40k”. Believe me, some list are very effective against others, and lot of units have good reason to pick any of their weapon’s choice

          • Nameless

            Whilst I have no wish to suggest list building isn’t a part of any wargame Age of Sigmar inclusive, many of the weapon options are mathematically identical… unfortunately I can’t actually seem to find the pdf’s to bring examples.

          • ZeeLobby

            Which is why as a game it is poorly designed. I agree it’s best when there’s options, but every option should have weight. There should be pros and cons for almost every choice. This is something GW has struggled with and continues to struggle with til this day. I don’t think they’ll fix it anytime soon. But hopefully 8th at least makes it relevant again.

            The problem right now is that those gaps are so huge, both internally and externally, that I don’t list write anymore (something I used to really enjoy) as there are just clear winners and losers in every codex.

          • Valeli

            I feel formations have really contributed to that.

            While admittedly characterful when at their best, some are just ridiculous auto-takes if you’re after a win (or, at least, “this or that” takes).

            My bigger problem with them is still just the phenomenal amount of rules bloat they’ve brought though.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, Having not played much for 6 months, there’s probably about 20 new formations (if not counting the several new factions) that’d I’d have to learn to give my opponent a good game. But I agree, I’ve always thought formations were just a horrible idea. I don’t even like theme lists in Warmachine.

          • Viktor Julian

            Spot on.

          • Jared McWilliams

            The problem is there are many options in 40k which aren’t good against anything. 40k has little list composition, you take the optimized units or you lose regardless of who you play. There is little deviation. Playing Tau? No matter who you play taking kroot and vespid is not going to work out, every faction has numerous examples of units which are just bad regardless of who you are aging against.

            This leads to most lists being similar for any given faction.

          • Seienchin

            Well nice for you if you have people in your area playing AoS… I dont.. Warhammer Fantasy community collapsed and people didnt move on to AoS. I dont hate AoS rules but I still see it as a colossal failure. Lets wait though – maybe I am wrong but having pretty much only 40k for the christmas times seems like GW also isnt happy about sales and playerbase.

          • ZeeLobby

            Still doesn’t mean people didn’t like it, and are afraid it might happen to 40K. It’s called opinions yo. Everyone can have them, and shouldn’t be instantly labeled if they share them.

          • grim

            I really hope GW is ignoring the people asking for a “more complex” age of sigmar. AOS as it stands in pitched battles of around 2K the rules, wargear and faction traits really stack up. I’m always seeing players missing stuff. That said I think if they keep similar core rules and add in blocking line of sight and terrain rules the game will be amazing. I’m very curious what GW will do with the whole unit customization for 40k. Everyone griping about simple rules should think about the context of an actual game from setup to finish. AOS like it or not is a great game and looking forward to second edition.

          • Jim Morr

            Just do not remind us on tens of thousends of collections made absolate… Just because GW had no clue how to repair their own game.

          • dinodoc

            More concerned with the damage to the fluff such a change represents. I liked the fluff and lore of the Old World and would rather avoid seeing 40k lore suffer the same fate.

    • Frey Jepson

      I get the same feeling. 40k is going to get ground to mush and thrown in the kiddie pool like poor old warhammer fantasy battle. R.I.P.

      • Randy Randalman

        And yet, AoS is having bigger turnouts at tournaments and more purchases than WHFB did in its last 8 years…. All by adults. Not kids. The people playing AoS are adults.

        The fluff isn’t any more childlike than WHFB. (Chaos is certainly darker.)

        It was cute to go there in commentary at first, but it just isn’t true or supported by any evidence, and only makes those of you beating that horse appear more and more embarrassing.

        • Crevab

          Nonsense as usual. Thanks, Doogan

          • ZeeLobby

            I just don’t get what kind of glasses he’s wearing. I mean some communities might have picked it up, but everywhere I’ve gone turnout is much lower.

          • Crevab

            GW online shill force glasses, I imagine. He keeps claiming to have early access to stuff

          • ZeeLobby

            The real question is DOES he actually get early access. He either A) Gets early access, B) Claims to get early access as an internet defense or C) Imagines he gets early access. I’ve met all 3 types, lol.

            That said there’s no way he has universal numbers, or even numbers. Actually knowing several people who have worked close with GW, they don’t just hand out information like that.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            I dunno, in Chicago in the 15 stores I go through rotation for supplies and events, AoS certainly is played more than WFB was for a long time. In some of them (anecdotal I know, but isn’t everything we say on here?) It out does 40k! Heck way more AoS tournesy as of late especially since GH dropped. So it may not be the number one game in the world, but it is certainly not hurting in specific areas. WHFB was pretty much dead. It only got revived because of end times, had they just made end times dragged out, then maybe WHFB would be king!

          • Mira Bella

            😀

          • Crevab

            ‘Member when BoLS made their own 40k supplements? I ‘member!

          • Mira Bella

            Oh I member! (I really liked the Macharian Crusade)

            Or member posting “First!” as first comment and then fighting about it for another 40?

            Member daboarder?

            I should stop now or I get sentimental. 😀

        • Frey Jepson

          Do you have any idea how AoS reflects as a game system compared to WHFB? Chaos was about as dark as you can get in old lore. Get used to the beating cupcake. I have witnessed AoS games and found them wanting. WHFB was and is a perfectly acceptable game system, with ranks and flanks, which makes it fun to play. WHFB universe also has a crap load of humor. Tell you what Randy, you go ahead keep peeing in the kiddie pool. I’m off to Ninth Age.

        • vlad78

          Perhaps that’s true where you live.
          Here are some official stats about the french tournament scene.
          Check the T3 site registering all tournaments results.

          Number of AOS registered players: 130
          Number of WFB registered players : 24000
          https://www.tabletoptournaments.net/fr/t3_armies.php?gid=142

          ‘The fluff isn’t any more childlike than WHFB. (Chaos is certainly darker.)’
          lolololololololololol
          You made my day sir, thank you.

          • ledha

            you are looking on “total statistics” man, OF COURSE there is much more warhammer battle players. Look the “last 6 months” and age of sigmar has a better result than warhammer battle (43 to 10 when i was posting this message)

            By the way, me and many of my friends did tournament but never bothered to register on T3. Using this website (that lot of people don’t know) is maybe not the best way to estimate the number of players. Tournament players, sure, but average players ?

          • ZeeLobby

            Uh. Of course the last six months are better for AoS, WHFB doesn’t exist anymore. They’ve all moved on to other systems or 9th age, etc.

          • vlad78

            French tournaments almost all use the t3 system. Those numbers are kighly significant in France at least. 43 is ridiculously low for a new game. Concerning casual players, I’ve seen 3 on forums, in the whole south west of France, none in the flesh. I’m not saying they aren’t more players, just the whole new generation of players GW is talking about doesn’t exist in my area. It’s probably more a UK phenomenon. But we all know Brits have bad taste. ;p

        • ZeeLobby

          Lol. Numbers? Our fantasy community simply is gone. Lol.

        • Hell-Nico

          Yeah and Candy crush got WAY more player than that. So I guess Candy Crush is way better than anything GW ever made, riiight ?

      • matty199

        Yeah it would be such a shame to actually use tactics rather than gamesman ship and list building to win games
        Complex games do not mean tactical, usually the opposite is true

        • ZeeLobby

          Anyone who says WHFB wasn’t a tactical game clearly never competed in it, lol.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            I don’t feel 8th was, 6th hell yeah!

          • ZeeLobby

            Oh totally agree. GW killed WHFB. No doubt. Kinda doing the same with 40K.

    • Jared McWilliams

      I would be fine with that to be honest. Some people may not be of course.

      • Karru

        The problem is that making it Sigmarised wouldn’t be a fix, instead it would just damage the game even more. Instead of complex mess of a game, we now have simplistic mess of a game.

        Biggest problems with WH40k right now is the Alternative Detachments, CAD Spam, Formations, LoW galore and D-weapons in regular games, Psychic Phase and dumb scoring system.

        Many have found that Age of Darkness balances the game massively. Why? Because it removes most of the stuff listed from regular games. You cannot field a LoW in less than 2000pts game, you cannot CAD Spam, you don’t have access to formations or your own unique detachments and only troop units are scoring.

        This makes the game insanely more balanced. Now many of the older and weaker books like Dark Eldar, Orks, Chaos Space Marines and Tyranids have a fighting chance.

        “Surely 8th edition would come and fix those problems! They might put points to formations and even limit LoWs!” Not in a significant manner they won’t. GW knows that it’s financially more beneficial to leave them there. Why shaft all those neckbeards that bought 3-6 Wraithknights to use in a regular game? How about those that field 3 Knights every game in a 1850pts game? No, GW wants to keep the game massively unbalanced in that way. They want to release new large kits that are as equally broken to make sure that people buy them for their armies, out of necessity if nothing else.

        This is my biggest problem with Sigmarising. I have seen that AoS has some balance in it, but Sigmarines are the top dog so it’s not like there is absolute balance yet. It’s way more balanced than 40k might have ever been, but that’s because they made large sacrifices in the complexity department. Their solution to make all armies useful against each other was to remove as many mechanics and elements as possible to make sure that it didn’t matter who you were fighting, you would still perform the pretty much the same. It doesn’t matter that much that you brought Greatweapons against Goblins or that you brought a bucket full of attack dice against Warriors of Chaos. They will hit and wound the same against both targets and the resulting casualties would be pretty much similar in both cases.

        • Aezeal

          “but Sigmarines are the top dog so it’s not like there is absolute balance yet.”
          Calling BS on you and your opinion right there. And while the last part is somewhat true you completely ignore that they moved that part to rend vs armor save. Yes S is not better for wounding AND against saves… don’t see why a single stat would need to be so important.. now you have rend and saves and the function is the same but less convoluted. Also now there is a slightly bigger range in wounds to create a tougher unit too.

          • Karru

            Considering how many Dracothian spam lists I have seen with Sigmarines just roflstomp everything they come across as long as the rolls remain average, I still stay by my statement that Sigmarines are the top dog.

            That single stat is actually very important, believe it or not. Weapons in AoS usually goes something like this:

            First Weapon: Hit 4+, Wound 4+, Rend -, Attacks 1, Re-roll 1’s to hit
            Second Weapon: Hit 4+, Wound 3+, Rend -1 Attacks 1

            I have no reason to take First Weapon ever. They hit on a same roll, but the second one wounds on a 3+ and has -1 rend, it’s clearly better in every way.

            How it would have been in Fantasy:

            Hand Weapon, take two and get +1 attack or take a shield and gain a parry save of 6++.
            Greatweapon, strike last, get +2 Strength.

            Take Hand Weapons + Shields if you want to make a tanking unit or take two Hand Weapons to get more attacks which is effective against targets that are lower or same toughness value as your strength.

            Take Great Weapons if you know you are going to face heavily armoured units or high toughness units.

            In AoS I have no reason to switch my weapons, no matter who my opponent is in vast majority of cases. I don’t need specialised units to take down certain units. I have no need to take weapons that give me re-rolls to 1’s or weapons that have a smaller chance to hit but slightly better chance to wound. It all boils down to averages. Mathematically what weapon forces the opponent to the most saves. Then you can continue that and look at how many saves can you make fail if you add rending to it.

            This is the biggest reason why I don’t play AoS. I find it extremely boring that I don’t have to think what I should bring against which opponent. I can just look at a spreadsheet to see which weapons forces most wounds and choose that. Then take a few safe units like Warmachines to make sure that if my opponent tries to do something out of the ordinary like Monster spam, I can easily kill them. It becomes boring very fast.

          • Xodis

            You would be correct if your example was correct.
            First weapon is::Hit 4+, Wound 4+, Rend -, Attacks 1, Re-roll 1’s to hit
            Second Weapon is: Hit 4+, Wound 4+, Rend -1 Attacks 1
            That 4+ to wound on the second weapon makes it less superior.

            Making both weapons superior depending on the situation.

          • Karru

            What? My example clearly states that the other is a 3+ to wound.

            First Weapon: Hit 4+, Wound 4+, Rend -, Attacks 1, Re-roll 1’s to hit

            Second Weapon: Hit 4+, Wound –>3+<–, Rend -1 Attacks 1

          • Xodis

            Yes but the unit I believe you are using as your example doesnt have the +3 to wound, it has a +4 to wound. So if this isn’t a realistic example based off of realistic weapon stats than its not a real example.

          • Karru

            Ah, it seems I misread it multiple times then. That’s what I get from switching between 10 different Warscrolls.

            But even if it is only 4+ to wound, it is still the better choice. The re-roll 1’s is useless compared to -1 rend. You can EASILY get yourself re-rolls to all your hits, so why would I ever take the first weapon?

          • Xodis

            For units with high no non existent armor saves. Skeletons only have a 6+, Slayers and most Sylvaneth only have a 5+, rather take the chance of adding more wounds on them and then failing to save.
            Sure the -1 Rend insures they take the wound, but having to pass two 4+ hurdles along the way should significantly drop that number before you get there.

          • Karru

            But the point is that you don’t have need for the re-roll 1’s as you can get that from somewhere else. It is much better to get -1 rend and add re-rolls to that, instead of getting re-rolls to 1’s and no rends.

          • Xodis

            You can only get reroll 1s from the Bloostoker within 12″ as far as I know. That also only works on a single Khorne unit so either you need 1 per squad or need to go other routes.

          • Xodis

            I will agree that some weapon choices like the ones listed can easily be ignored, but few are this close in usefulness, or lack there of.

          • Xodis

            Also, I couldnt remember which Khorne abilities gave you reroll 1’s, but IMO, the following characters work better with the reroll 1’s ability.
            Khorne Lord on Juggernaught giving +1 to wound rolls when they charge
            Skullgrinder giving wound rolls of 4+ 1 bonus damage
            Aspiring Deathbringer and Bloodsecrator giving 1 bonus attack to all weapons
            Plus the BloodReavers OWN ability to give +1 attack.

            So it could be easily argued that they dont need to reroll hits of 1 since they have so many attacks, but it can also be argued that with that many attacks rerolling 1s would come in handy more often than not.

          • Karru

            I would still take the -1 rend any day of the week. Re-rolling 1’s to hit feels very lacking when I can remove the enemies save or lower it by 1, causing more damage. It makes it more likely overall, as I can roll 2’s and 3’s and not get my benefit at all from the other weapon.

          • Xodis

            And that does make complete sense, I wouldnt say its far superior in any way but its a strong alternative. I would rather have a Khorne Lord charging with them and make them 3+ rerolling 1’s so they only miss on a 2.

          • Xodis

            I would probably only take a unit or 2 (depending on points) of the -1 Rend Bloodreavers in the Dark Feast Battalion, that way I had the Bloodstoker for giving them the reroll 1’s, and just being near everyone prevents battleshock tests, while having the Slaughterpriest gives everyone +1 attack and he can still incite the enemy to charge you drawing out anyone with armor that you want the -1 Rend guys to target.

          • Xodis

            Oh snap, did I actually just use cunning, tactics, and strategy to discuss AoS?!?! How did THAT happen lmao.

          • Mira Bella

            That counts as a “cunning tactic” in your Book?! 😀
            Taking a bunch of units and keeping them close together?
            Sheeesch! Want me to call you Clausewitz from now on?

            Seriously Xodis I like you man, but please….

            -Pincer Movement
            -Inverted wedge
            -Preemptive Strike
            -Ambush
            -Flying wedge
            -Circumvallation
            -Feigned retreat

            Those are tactics.

          • Xodis

            Did I say I used all the tactics I knew or all that is possible? Nope, but everything you listed is still possible, but the normal tone around here is that AoS has absolutely zero tactics at all, which I believe I just disproved if only barely (but to my credit it was without trying 😀 ).

            -The Preemptive Strike tactic will probably be mine since Ill be luring a high save unit out so my rending unit can deal with them.
            -Wedge’s are a great way to avoid everyone getting hit by grenades or any sort of AoE, but its likely I wont need that too often in AoS.
            -With my Battalion warscroll I have 2 other units that can perform the Pincer attack if needed, but since I probably will get the Preemptive Strike , they might not be needed.
            -Khorne doesn’t retreat, fake or otherwise

          • Aezeal

            That single stat? being the save stat? Yes it’s very powerfull but armor saves have always been very important in warhammer fantasy.
            For the rest I just disagree with you.

          • Karru

            So you don’t believe there is clearly superior options with vast majority of units and their weapon choices?

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      Depending on how they do it… The changes from 2nd to 3rd were painful but games went from hours and hours long to over and done in 1-2. Did the game suffer for a bit? Yes but overall it was a good choice and we’ve come full circle with the current edition being similar in complexity as 2nd(IMO). That being said I didn’t care for the changes to Fantasy and it killed the game for my group. It’s not my cup of tea but others like it so good for them.

      • 7th is as complex as 2nd, true. But 2nd suffered also from another thing: uber-models in size of infantry. Maybe GW would’ve made models as huge as lords of war nowadays if they could, dunno. But that was a problem.
        And you’re right, the move to 3rd felt like hitting a wall. As an Eldar-player even more since the important infantry weapons suddenly went 12″ only and core troops turned into utter crap.

        • vlad78

          True but this time i feel they really need to adopt a really good tactical ruleset, not the usual yougoIgo crap designed for kids. If they could introduce alternate activation and get rid of the bloat, the game would become quite good all of a sudden.

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          People complained that Eldar players just used Aspect Warriors in 3rd even though the fluff supported that.

      • JPMcMillen

        One of the big differences is that in 2nd edition, everything cost more points. So an average size game had a lot less models on the table than they do now.

        And most of the complexity in 2nd edition was in the melee system. If both sides stuck to shooting at each other the game didn’t last nearly as long.

    • Alex

      Im all for it. 40k is a convoluted mess right now, it needs to be cleaned up.

    • Badgerboy1977

      I think it’s safe to say that they’re building towards a big moment in 40k similar to the end times and that they will want to stream line the rules to a certain extent when it comes to the next edition but I will also say that they have learnt a huge amount from their AoS release and are also listening to their customer base like never before and I have absolutely no doubt given all the evidence that whatever changes are coming will be positive ones.
      They’ve gained far too much forward momentum recently to lose it with such a major release.

      • Karru

        I already pointed this out on another comment, but I’m going to put it here as well.

        If even half of the rumours are true about 8th edition, it won’t fix the game. It will make the game from broken complex mess to broken simplified mess. Here’s why.

        Biggest problems I tend to find in 40k comes from the following; Alternative Detachments, Formations, LoW and CAD spam, D-weapons in regular games, Psychic Phase shenanigans and dumb scoring system. Out of those the largest problems come from the first 3 points, Detachments, Formations and LoW/CAD Spam. None of these are going to go away, this is unfortunate fact. There is no way GW would shaft their most expensive products like that. In order to stay competitive, some armies have to resolve to spamming LoWs or some other bs like summoning.

        In the ideal world they would take Age of Darkness as a base and go from there. Of course, this is GW we are talking about and that won’t happen. It would mean that majority of players won’t be needing any LoWs or 10 Free Transports for their armies in order to fight properly since they are playing less that 2k points and there are no formations/detachments to give you free stuff.

        • Badgerboy1977

          It’s all just speculation and rumour at the moment and the only true evidence we’ve got is their current trajectory and product strategy which has been highly successful as far as I’m concerned.

    • unearth

      Wouldn’t be the worst thing. 40k hasn’t got a rank&file system that can get messed up. It can only get better. Please erase true line of sight.

    • DeadlyYellow

      It’s not like the rules are particularly great.

      And the setting is fairly secure. They can go in a lot of interesting directions (not that they will.) Old World was as typical as any other fantasy setting that currently inundate modern entertainment media.

    • Valeli

      My (main) problem with AoS in fantasy was that it brought on a /radically/ different game, while killing mine.

      I feel like in 40k this might be less of an issue though. I think – and I promise I mean this with no disrespect intended – that 40k has always been a significantly simpler game than fantasy whose main issues simply revolved around target selection (and, as in both games, good list abuse if you felt so inclined). The secondary issue in 40k was getting all the rules down. There’s lots. Which is find by me, but still a fact.

      40k is already a “skirmish” game though, or was at it’s roots. It isn’t about complex movement, unit rotation, flanking, and march blocking.

      AoSing it wouldn’t inherently ruin the game the way it inherently destroyed fantasy.

      My biggest concern with an AoS-approach to 40k – assuming the devs don’t just completely fall asleep at the wheel when releasing new rules – is that they’ll ruin the fluff the way they ruined it for fantasy. (Too subjective for you? Fine. “Radically altered” the fluff).

      The universe of 40k has always been much more of a setting for me than a story. Can you have cool stories in that setting? Absolutely.

      But when GW itself actively starts treating the /setting/ as a story for the first time in decades………… the potential for unhappiness is pretty enormous there.

      Yes – doing this makes good business sense in a way. It lets them sell these campaign books for well over the next year, and make a shiny dime on each as people follow the narrative. There’s a lot more money to be made in that than in just selling miniatures people eventually no longer need to purchase.

      But at some point I fear they’ll run into the issue of having to either a) do the same old “antagonist looses, better luck next time old chap” or b) radically restructure the entire setting and universe with the antagonists winning (or something like it). …. both of those options could alienate a ton of folks, and I don’t really see an option C that could be taken instead once they’ve gone down this path.

      • Xodis

        Option C would be not concluding the battles so players can determine the ending for themselves.

        Take the Baal campaign for instance, you get a book for Army A then you get a book for Army B. There is no need for future books as the war is already in those two books, but if they wanted to they can create book 3 which just gives more battles between Army A and Army B (possibly adding Army C if needed).
        Luckily the 40K lore is large enough that while Army A (Blood Angels) are busy fighting this was in Baal, that doesnt disqualify them from also being in the next campaign books fighting a different Army F on Planet Y.

        As for tearing up the fluff, I dont think AoS ruined WHFB as much as it left it behind. Everything that happened to create AoS is because of what happened during WHFB’s days (speaking strictly of lore not sales or whatever). Moving the story forward in 40K can be done better since they dont need to jump 1000s of years in the future to reset everything, change can happen really fast in 40K. The tagline doesn’t change though “for in the grim dark future there is only war.” so 40K, if it moves forward, will just move to the next state of chaos (no pun intended) and deal with new threats or old threats that resurfaced.

        • Valeli

          That’s not a bad option C, and could be pretty good if well managed.

          – – – – –
          “I dont think AoS ruined WHFB as much as it left it behind.”
          Aye. 100% that, indeed.

          • Xodis

            Well thats what I hope they do lol. GW doesnt have the best track record over the years, but recently they have impressed me enough to give them a chance.

    • Calum Wallace

      Not sure. Might be a lack of paying attention to what made End Times and Sigmar happen: Fantasy sales crashed so badly the entire WHFB range was being outsold by just Space Marines, and some armies (I’m looking at you Brets, Tomb Kings) by just the Tactical Marines box.

      Weird as their decision-making process may be, I doubt even GW is going to shoot the cash cow in the head.

      • Valeli

        Maybe if they had updated Brets since 6th edition…. maybe given them a single new model…. people would have bought more of them than tactical marines?

        40k and marines are admittedly a runaway success though. I think – especially over here in the US perhaps – the SciFi geekery is able to tap into a significantly larger one than the more traditional wargaming/fantasy geekery Fantasy had.

        Just anecdotal perception, of course.

        • Calum Wallace

          True dat. My semi-expectation is that the Fantasy crash happened because of the usual Tom Kirby idiotic management – but the fact of the matter is it crashed and that’s why GW Sigmarred it.

          My point was intended to be that 40k’s sales decidedly have NOT crashed- exact opposite, with the mass of stuff fans have been crying for turning up sales on 40k are steadily going up – making Sigmarring seem less than likely.

    • Hell-Nico

      Because you are not a blind fanboy and can read the writings on the wall.

    • Matthew
    • gbc343

      I feel we are not going to go that far, the rumors are calling that a simplification is coming, but not the extent fantasy got.

      Personally I think that could be a good thing as sometimes it can feel that you need to get a masters degree just to keep up with all the rules in the game these days. Like maybe 30% less rules or something along those lines.

      A fluff change would be just as exciting, not an Apocalypse but a changing of the board rather than the eternal stalemate that the setting is stuck in. Like some primarchs coming back and maybe some threads that would actually give a means of defeating chaos. Doesn’t mean they will succeed just something to aim for.

  • neshta

    I really love these models!

  • __

    Theres a keeper of secrets in the celestine art!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Strategery.

      looking directly in the light. RIP keeper of secrets.

  • Dumbcow1

    #Crusader_Formation_Please

  • jasonsation

    We need Kasrkin now more than ever! My favorite GW models!

    • Satyan Patel

      They too are my favorite models. Love their face masks. Too bad never released in plastic.

      • The Scions don’t look too bad.

        • Karru

          They are just way out of place amongst Imperial Armies. They have completely different look, which I really don’t like especially since they are usually meant to be run alongside Guardsmen. Kasrkin had the look of your average Spec Op Soldier when compared to Guardsmen, they looked like the fit together well.

          • The Kasrkin looked great for sure, but personally I like the Scions a lot. To each their own I guess. I picked up a small Combat Patrol size army for myself just because. I may flesh it out later.

          • Karru

            Their helmets and weapons look awesome but the Conquistador style armour looks so out of place in the 40k universe. That’s my only real issue with them.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Yeah, They are what they are. They resemble more the Auxilira from 30k. However they do fit with many guard regiments as many are very baroque like that that. People forget that the “normal” IG guys now are the Cadian Shock Troopers which all were heavier armor than the average guardsmen. The Kasrkin are modeled to fall in line with Cadians. I am a huge fan of the Third ed basic pig face ones personally. I also still have my beret totting 2e ones as well which I suppose the new scion command kinda tips back to.
            So like the new scions would work great with the Vostroyan, and a few other groups, maybe Krieg, clearly anything Auxilira.

  • Sparti67

    10,000 year old project? Squats!

    • Talos2

      Something from the 30k era. The kaban project?

      • georgelabour

        Perhaps the akashic record reader from Mechanicum which may have been a lesser version of the golden throne.

        ORRR…something involving that self upgrading AI that’s shown up here and there on Mars during the civil war there.

        • Talos2

          Yeah the kaban project. Doubt it though

          • georgelabour

            Derp…I thought the one that showed up in the short story Myriad was a different AI. XD

            I really should read Cybernetica sometime.

      • SilentPony

        What if its the resurrection of Horus?

        • Xodis

          Why resurrect him, we have a clone already lol

          • Emprah

            Abaddon is not a clone of him you lazy git.

          • nurglitch

            Abaddon destroyed the clone.

          • Xodis

            Foolish child, he is GW just hasn’t retconned it yet 😀

    • Noah Jerge

      The Golden Throne?

  • Devon Carson

    What’s with the Archon in the first picture?

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      I’m the Skitarrii codex, it talked about the mechanicum making a dark deal with the dark eldar for tech related to the golden throne (which the techpriests can no longer repair).

    • Timotheus

      That’s what I asked myself as well. But can’t believe Templars marching alongside Xenos scum…

  • Talos2

    I can only assume the main studio were getting jealous of all the love the fw guys were getting and have seriously upped their game. Really great stuff

    • Death Company Andro

      Except the GW design studio are nowhere near the calibre of the FW design studio. Angel’s Blade was crud. Their fluff writing is excrement compared to FW too

      • ZeeLobby

        Having just read Wrath of Magnus, I have to say it’s the same there. It’s difficult to describe but the writing just doesn’t “feel” like 40K anymore. For some reason the FW writers can still capture that.

        • vlad78

          It’s really that bad? Well it doesn’t bode well for 8th edition.

          • ZeeLobby

            It’s just really starting to remind me of like super hero cartoons. The dialogue is very epic this, revenge that, shakes fist in air, etc. It’s kind of lost the subtle dark sci fi edge. It plays out more like a one location sitcom then being alone in an infinitely large and dark galaxy. Haha. It’s hard to describe but it’s pretty obvious when you compare the fluff sections to older codexes.

      • Talos2

        I think their model design has come on incredibly. If that magos was fw we’d all be in awe.

        • Randy Randalman

          Yeah, the fluff mostly supports the game instead of the other way around, but GW’s miniature design is every bit as good (and more creative) as FW. Made more impressive by the fact they create 50x the number of models FW does.

          • Emprah

            I would not say FW makes good lore, not , not good at all.

          • vlad78

            More creative? You must be kidding. FW products are usually really beautiful while GW main range is made of quite a lot of awful freaks those days. The real creativity has left for FW, deal with it.

            Now I aknowledge this tech priest looks awesome. The other minis look more like a milder relooking.

      • Nyyppä

        Don’t worry. Every supplement before and since AB that has been released this year is just as bad or worse.

  • Nick1080

    Think that the giant Khorne Deamon with the axe and fiery belly in the Saint Celestine painting is Angron? Could make an awesome model. The ‘belly-maw’ is kinda reminiscent of the World Eaters emblem. If it IS a hint at the new model I hope the same does NOT apply to the ugly looking purple keeper of secrets in the same pic!

    • I doubt it. Angron’s look has been defined already, and it is vastly different from this here.

      • BurpinforDayz

        Am I the only person who thinks the standard blood thirster model looks cooler than the FW anggrath one?

        • nurglitch

          You’re not the only one.

  • SonoftheMountain

    that Celestine model is beautiful, but that scroll looks like it will break if you look at it funny

    • Randy Randalman

      Except it won’t, because it thankfully isn’t stupid FW resin.

      • SilentPony

        Those Sigmar marines break just as readily, and she’s based on them. And thems plastic.

        • Munn

          If you use superglue rather than something stronger to stick them to the base, the scrolls are actually a sturdier connection then the glue so if you drop it it breaks at the glue not the scroll. TBH even without tricks like that they’re surprisingly sturdy.

      • SonoftheMountain

        I hope you’re right because I’m definitely picking her up when she hits my LGS

  • Vepr

    That Ad Mech fig looks like a fully opened Victorinox Swiss Champ army knife. I am guessing he has more than 81 features.

    • Lord Elpus

      And has a thing for getting boy scouts out of horses hooves too!

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      And a pretty recognizable Conversion Beamer to boot.

  • SilentPony

    Oh good Lord, how long before this one is retconned for being too exciting and definitive?

  • ZeeLobby

    like her guards’ jetpacks. Those are pretty cool. Birds still feel out of place.

    • Vepr

      You could always add some mechanical bits to them or just scrap them for a flock of servo skulls. 🙂

      • ZeeLobby

        Yeah. If I got the model I would definitely have to do something like that. Just makes the model feel like Vegas strip magician to me, haha.

        • Xodis

          That magicians distraction is what gives her that 2+ lol

          • ZeeLobby

            “Look over there!”

    • MechBattler

      Jetpacks very strongly resemble pipe organs. Very nifty.

      • ZeeLobby

        Very true. That’s cool.

  • nemesis7884

    but what about new black templars and suchx?

  • Sonic tooth

    I fear the templars days sre numbered to show how powerful abbadon and co are. Hope not. Also hope returning loyalist primarch will be lion or dorn and not gulliman (as rumoured)….love celestine mini. Beautiful

  • Xodis

    Hmm, we have rumors saying that 8e drops in 2017 and takes place after the 13th Black Crusade, but now we find out this 40K story arc (The Black Crusade) goes until 2018….. That would suck to have to wait until 2018 to decide if I am going to continue in 40K or not, but at least it gives me time to work on my AoS models.

    • ZeeLobby

      Yeah. Just have to hobby elsewhere I guess. Haha. What AoS are you working on now?

      • Xodis

        Still working on my Stormcast and Bloodbound, been rough finding hobby time with the holidays and work. Wife decided she wanted some Sylvaneth so YEAH!!!!!! Hoping she grabbed me the Malignants box for Christmas too lol.

    • Randy Randalman

      8th will come, but this story keeps going. There will be progress, but not a 5000 year jump like Warhammer.

      • Xodis

        That would be good. Hope we see more scenarios and missions like in the AoS campaign books in the future. Would love to recreate some unique battles that Im sure we will soon read about.

    • Lewismauler

      If 8e sucks that bad the community will just continue to use 7e

      • Xodis

        Eh thats what they said about 6e with 5e…people are still playing 6.5 though lol

      • Yea… it’s been said very often with previous editions or WHFB, nothing of that happened. People always moved on and those that didn’t want to still did or left entirely.

  • Kevin Maloney

    I will say, as a Sisters of Battle player, that this is a moment that I have only dreamed of up until now. The plastic Celestine is utterly amazing, a centrepiece that embodies everything I love about the army, and everything about it– the wings, the doves, the pose, even the sculpt on Celestine’s face– is absolutely perfect.

    That thin bit of purity seal holding her up, though, is going to freaking snap.

    • Randy Randalman

      No it won’t. Nagash is far bigger and holds up fine on his wisps. GW plastic is durable and pliable, and incredibly balanced. Only a terrible or careless hobbyists will suffer a break. I know, because I’ve already assembled two of the new Celestines…

      • Thomas Gardiner

        And I helped JFK fake the moon landings!

      • Mira Bella

        I assembled three and they all snaped…
        😉

      • Mira Bella

        I assembled three and they all snapped…
        😉

    • Calum Wallace

      Tip from further up the comments: glue her to her base with superglue. That way the weakest bit becomes the glue join, so if it’s going to snap it’ll most likely be the superglue that goes and not the plastic.

  • SilentPony

    Is…is she really shooting birds out of her bum? At Nurgle monsters? Seriously?!

    • Crevab

      What? No

  • tau fan

    can i dream for some new black templars rules or models now o god i would buy so much new templars….. mmmm templars

  • Carey_Mahoney

    Who/what might that red guy in the background of that topmost artwork be? Another OH Inq. maybe? Would be an almost natural fit for Black Templars, wouldn’t it?

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      An Eldar, probably Dark Eldar, guy.

      • Carey_Mahoney

        I think he has wings on his belt buckle, which wouldn’t be very Eldar.

        • Perversor

          people says it looks like a kabalyte, or incubus, for me the armor pattern reminds me a lot of a knight or jousting knight (big one side shoulder, leg guards around the hips) so a little part of me would be rocked if it shows up as Drastanta the missing shinning spear lord, anyway if they made a model of him there can be plenty of factible conversions.

          • Carey_Mahoney

            Furthermore, this guy seems to have a book or tablet in his hand. Also not very Eldar. I guess it’s some inquisitorial character or some similar kind of Imperial hero or agent.

        • BurpinforDayz

          I’m convinced it’s a harlequin.

    • Dark Eldar Incubi from the looks of the helmet and those “back fins”. The breast-plate is quite non-DE though. The questions though is also… why!?

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      Red tabard, smokestacks, and an Aquilla: clearly a Techpriest.

  • Jared McWilliams

    Here is on betting that St. Celestine died and is reincarnated warp entity of order. 😁

    • Reven

      Well in the fluff she has died several times and just said screw that, I’ll only die when the Emperor tells me to die.

  • Pirate_Prince_Navarion

    Inquisitor Greyfax. The first model that forces me to make a feet swap (along with a head and weapon swap).

  • Shane Cottrell

    So excited, Black templar are my favourite sons of dorn, so glad they’re getting some more attention, time to finish painting my chaos and dust off my loyalists 🙂

  • Shinnentai

    Compared to the intricacy of the Inquisitor and Magos, Celestine’s sculpt is really underwhelming. Glad I backed the Raging Heroes kickstarter – their Erzabel sculpt is much more of a centerpiece.

  • Graham Roden

    Looking at the pic and reading spiky bits, is this a quest to get Dorn back?

  • kevinharoun

    When do we get to see the Abaddon?

  • Spacefrisian

    Is that a Samurai in the first pic with Black Templars (or an attempt?)…The red guy.

  • Andrew

    Those Slaaneshi beings in the foreground there don’t look like Daemonettes to me. Maybe something new?

  • Lion El’ Jonson

    Idk why, but the image of a Dark Eldar in the midst of a host of Black Templars is one of the most amusing things I have ever seen in 40k.

  • Heinz Fiction

    So 13th-black-crusade-time again? Is this now every year?

    • Lion El’ Jonson

      This time it’s for realzies!

    • Grumpy Scot

      It’ll be a narrative, not a player led campaign, so hopefully it’ll make sense.

      • Calum Wallace

        Sense is questionable, but unlike a player-led campaign it’ll go the way GW wants it to go.

  • Grumpy Scot

    It’s an army of Sanguinary Guard on the top left, not Sisters. You can see what appears to be a Blood Angel (with an incorrect shoulder pad?) on the ground with a chainsword, too.

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      troll

      • Grumpy Scot

        Nope, take a close look.

        • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

          World Eater. Or one of Abby’s Bloodhounds. Considering that he’s laying into that mob of Cadians being double-tapped by that green-cast CSM, it’s probably not a loyal son of the Emperor.

          • Grumpy Scot

            Nah he’s facing the Chaos guy and has an arrow on his shoulder like a tactical marine. Though, BAs tacticals don’t have those arrows. So I wonder if it’s another red armoured loyalist chapter?

  • Breaker

    GW remembered Black Templars exist??

    *sigh*

    *Gets out wallet*

    (Let’s hope they don’t retcon any more lol)

    • Solaq

      In fairness, they were in Angels of Death and have a nice upgrade kit available.

      • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

        We don’t just want a WT table and Objectives, we want Formations and a Strike Force of their very own.

        • Solaq

          Agreed. Just saying they haven’t been completely forgotten.

  • piglette

    IT’S HAPPENING

  • Deacon Ix

    You where meant to use the screen gram with the thumbs up in – one job…

  • neshta

    I for one, am glad to see some of AoS’s awesome design going into 40k. I love AoS and the models are one of the top great things about it! =)

  • Jagi Helmet

    Whoah whoah whoah why is there a red armored Incubi Dark Eldar standing around with the Black Templars?!