GW: Specialist Games Releases Q1-2

battle-for-prosperoCome get the latest on what GW and Specialist Games is working on.

Via Recalcitrant Daze 1-3-2017

Horus Heresy – Book Seven:

Only asked about availability, Tony Cottrel thinks it is on for the Heresy Weekender, the book is at the printers at all being well the boats packed with black books should arrive back in the UK in time for the first week in Feb and the Horus Heresy Weekender.

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Adeptus Titanicus:

Release has been put back. Mix of reasons including GW releasing this may be a very popular choice (really? Who would have thought?). Gives them more time to work on things and allow a bigger initial release with more models etc.

So far the Warlord, Reaver and Questoris Knights have been 3D modelled for the new game. Warhound is currenty being worked on.

A game is expected to be around five titans of any class. You pick a type of Maniple, such as Scout, Assault or Battle and pick accordingly. This means you could have a game of five Warlords v five Warhounds. You then take the difference in the two sides and the weaker side then gets to spend those points on other things, I can’t remember the name now of them – Stratagems? Something like that.

About nine titans a side is about the limit you would reasonably want, unless you have the time spare.

The emphasis of the game is controlling you titans and making decisions such as power levels, ramping up your generator makes you faster, more powerful weapons and shields but has consequences. Your titan has a personality and may not like what you try and do with it. Basically as you get in the novels the Princeps has to keep control over something which may not want to relinquish control. So if you have a bloodthirsty, hunter type titan trying to back away from a fight might not be the easiest thing to do.

Terrain has been done as have Realm of Battle boards which the buildings can fit onto. These are at the factory already so should be ready to go when the game is released.

There is no great desire to redo Epic. While we may get more games at the same scale – such as a massed tank version there is no desire to see a combined titan/tank/infantry battle. Basically they don’t just want 40k at a smaller scale.

There is a chance, though it may be small, we see some of the models at the Heresy Weekender in a month’s time.

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Blood Bowl

Season Two book is likely April-ish.

Plastic Ogre player will be out soon. There will also be a plastic Troll. They decided to do these in plastic as they can be taken in so many team.

Elf Union team is being worked on, Nurgle will follow after these hopefully later this year (October?). Also Goblin team in plastic, I think from memory these will come before the Elves. Goblins were a must for plastic as they can be taken on their own as well as being taken as members of other teams.

Expect at least one Star Player to follow with each team, some may get two. The Skaven star player (two heads, four arm guy) will be here soon. Season Two will have a lot of Star Players in there, some known and some who are new.

Neoprene pitches are a go. The human and Orc pitches have been done as the first ones have arrived at GW to look at and test out. Forgot to ask when these are likely to be out.

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Thoughts:

I think everyone is waiting for the Prospero Book. Nice timing as now with Burnong of Prosero out, there will be plenty of easily accessable minis to go with it for the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons.

 

Very interesting to hear that GW does not want to remake EPIC as they view it as being competitive with 40K – so titans only, or maybe some select vehicles later on. I consider that a good call as last time around EPIC DID become an alternative to playing 40K for a segment of the customerbase.

On Blood Bowl, the teams keep rolling on, but I have yet to see one that specifically linked to any discontinued races from WFB.

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  • memitchell

    Maybe a “Good call” for marketing and bean counters. But, less games is not more better for gamers. Not usually. There was a time when selling Epic IN ADDITION to 40K was good for the bottom line.
    Oh well, fix 40K first.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      I think that is the rue motivation behind this delay and change in focus. 40k is getting a new edition and releasing a game that does, in many ways, compete with it is no bueno.

    • Dr.Clock

      “There was a time when selling Epic IN ADDITION to 40K was good for the bottom line.”

      That’s only true in a pretty narrow sense… the initial investment cost to creating a new miniature line with limited offerings that are not substantially cross-compatible with other lines is a significant risk. We simply don’t know how big/small a portion of GW’s business Epic ever was. I don’t think it died ‘in spite’ of high sales… So the time when it was good for the bottom line and for the consumer was basically limited to a time when the existing ‘ecosystem’ of other options was far more limited, and the ‘uncertainty in the market’ was much higher.

      With things as they are, there are still significant cross-sales potentials between AoS and 40k (mostly by way of 40k enthusiasts propping up AoS for conversions etc. than the other way round). The Epic lines never really allowed that… and this game won’t either, unlike all the other boxed games, Bloodbowl aside.

      While I’m pretty excited to get my paws on some Titans, GW will be wise to avoid a) trying to make it a ‘third core’ game with all 40k factions available and/or b) trying to have the full range of units even in one faction. Both GW and the majority of their target market already have far too much invested in the 40k line itself at this point to really make a 6-8mm ‘mass battle’ system more profitable than just continuing to release stuff for 40k… At some point you start to cannibalize your own sales as your customer has to decide between two increasingly similar but incompatible offerings.

      Currently, even if GW could ‘magically’ bring back all of the old Epic stuff, 40k would still sell better because WAY more people already play it.

      I think it’s a bit more accurate to think of the initial forays into other scales as the ‘testing phase’ of GW… they released a whole slew of ‘boxed games’ in the late 80s and early 90s, of which they continued to support a few, for a time… but at a certain point the sunk costs of GW and the community together into a 28(32)mm scale made these less and less viable as continuing/expanding lines because the ‘market decided’.

      But GW has now recognized that there is money to be made in the ‘high-end Board Game’ market as well as in the ‘collectible tabletop’ market. They’re releasing more ‘standalone’ GAMES to compete in the more diverse board games arena, but are doing so without really committing to turning every ‘board game’ INTO a vast and diverse collectibles arms race.

      Most of these new ‘games’ are thrown away by the rest of the GW community, but I’ve played Space Hulk for years with a buddy otherwise uninterested in 40k… and get a kick out of Overkill.

      • memitchell

        The method to the madness is the 40K battlefield varies from Gretchins to Gargants. From hordes to Warlords. But, titans in 40K scale are prohibitively expensive. So, AT is the next best thing. Leaving the little guys to 28mm.

        • Dr.Clock

          Exactly! I’m stoked for Adeptus Titanicus, mostly to have something closer to an ‘RPG’ game where each individual model is important, has personality, and its own resources in scale with reasonably diverse opponents.

          All the indications re: managing power-levels and movement vectors etc. sound awesome in a way that 40k with its 100+ model counts can’t possibly manage.

      • bobrunnicles

        Epic failed when they replaced the old Space Marine/Titan Legions rules with Epic 40K – a streamlined faster playing version that the player base HATED for removing most of the detail (take note, 40K 8th Ed!) and sales dropped through the floor, eventually prompting GW to release Epic Armageddon except by then it was too late. Up until then there really were the ‘Big Three’ games in GW’s lineup; Fantasy, 40K and Epic.

        • ZeeLobby

          You mean it died when GW killed it through bad rules, like they do to all their good games? LoL

        • Loki Nahat

          eh… I liked Epic 40k’s rules… I thought it was better than the original

          • bobrunnicles

            They just simplified it too much, imho, and removed a lot of the differentiation between unit types that were for many (me included) a big part of the game.

    • Andreas Noche

      Let´s put it this way: If people complain about Titans being the wrong size for 40k, than infantrie would most likely be the wrong size for Epic.

    • ZeeLobby

      Agreed.

  • That’s too bad about Epic. There are only two of the Specialist Games that interested me and one won’t be made. I guess that gives me more time to save up for BFG.

    • carlisimo

      It means those of us who still play Epic can stop worrying – we’ll get a new titan game, which is great because Epic Armageddon doesn’t do titans justice, but we’ll keep using the old rules for normal games. No new infantry/tanks (potentially) is a bummer, but our collections of 6mm old minis and 3rd-party proxies will still work.

      Consider trying it out. Here’s a starter guide if you think you can get your friends to join you:
      http://tinyurl.com/zumd776

      And for inspiration:
      http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewforum.php?f=7

      • Wolfman UK

        Good read thanks for the link I haven’t played epic forever! Would love to get back into it but I don’t know how to find opponents. 🙁 what’s the most popular ruleset?

      • KingThrogg

        well said

    • Loki Nahat

      a reissue of BFG would be gorgeous, I still have my fleet, finding a game is the hardest part

    • Horus84cmd

      Not quite true. The original author has not made any attempt to make clear what the actual quote from FW was. You’re making a leap of inference from what the author has added to the “quote” as verbatim to what FW said, just at it would appear the author did after talking to FW. The whole paragraph is is written as his/hers assumption from what was discussed meant.

      There is no great desire to redo Epic. While we may get more games at the same scale – such as a massed tank version there is no desire to see a combined titan/tank/infantry battle. Basically they don’t just want 40k at a smaller scale.

      • Recalcitrant Daze

        The “original author” is reporting as best he can from a discussion with Andy Hoare. There are no quotes as it was not an interview, just a chat about what was happening.

        He said he had no great desire to redo Epic and wanted Adeptus Titanicus to remain all about the Titans (and Knights) to allow you to fully explore them in great detail. There may be more games at a smaller scale later on (as he has said previously). A new Epic is not ruled out as plans and desires can of course change. But nothing is currently on the cards for an Epic like game.

        By them not wanting to do 40k as a smaller scale means exactly that. A version of 40k with titans, tanks, infantry, planes etc all together in one army but on a smaller scale. The thought at the moment is to do new games at a smaller scale to allow you to do things you can’t do in 40K, like having loads of Titans, mass armoured combat etc.

        You can read into all that however you want. I am sure in 12 months things will probably have changed again or progressed on. This wasn’t reported as ‘news leaks’ or ‘official company policy’. I can categorically state that the original author was not putting words into FW mouth, merely reporting some of the points which came up in a friendly conversation.

        “The original author has not made any attempt to make clear what the actual quote from FW was.” The original author, as I have said, does not feel a need to ‘make clear what the actual quote’ was as again this is just putting some things down as best as he can remember. I am sure if the original author had known of the way the comments would be dissected and questioned he would have made the conversation a more formal event and recorded it, or just not bothered to share it in the first place.

        • Horus84cmd

          Well done! See, look what happens when the correct context and connotation is added to a description of a conversation held between two people and its not left vague and entirely anecdotal.

  • Iconoc1ast

    Does this mean that Epic will be in plastic???

    • Mira Bella

      It means there won’t be any Epic in the near future.

      • Iconoc1ast

        The article mentioned that was the case

  • Matt Miller

    Nothing about Mordheim? 🙁

    • EnTyme

      I’m kind of expecting GW to morph Path to Glory into Mordheim in the next GHB.

      • Noah Jerge

        That would be cool, and would actually convince me to buy the book.

  • crazytuco

    I’m still hopeful that we’ll see either Necromunda or Mordheim or both before the end of 2018.

    • EnTyme

      Gangs of Commorragh seems to be the new Necromunda. Also, see my reply to Matt Miller for my expectations on Mordheim.

      • crazytuco

        Gangs of Commorragh looks to have little in common with Necromuda other than the word “gang”. I’d say it seems more to be the new Gorkamorka than the new Necromunda.

      • 6Cobra

        Please – no. No.

  • Admiral Raptor

    Without being a gateway to Epic, I have very little interest in Adeptus Titanicus. It’s a shame, the 40k universe is better explored with a 6mm game then the 28mm one we have.

    • bobrunnicles

      I agree completely; the huge, sweeping (dare I say ‘epic’?) battles that we read about in the fluff are *so* much better covered at a 6mm/10mm scale.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      Agreed. Even at 15 mm, the game makes more sense since you can have truly massed battle.

    • ZeeLobby

      It’d make a lot more sense for 40K to return back to a skirmish game as it was originally intended, and let epic handle the giant battles. But alas.

      • Loki Nahat

        that thinking doesnt sell models though 😉

        • ZeeLobby

          Sure it does. Since they’ve gone down their current path they’ve had a drop in sales every year. This year might be an exception because of all the new mini factions people have waited years for, but people liked it as a skirmish game.

          • Loki Nahat

            I think you misunderstood, it doesnt sell models from a business perspective

            I also prefer it at a lower model count/skirmish setting, I have a feeling that’s what this 40k-lite coming out will be, a bridge between AoS and 40k proper

  • benn grimm

    Epic was never like 40k and 40k has never been able to replicate Epic satisfactorily, despite how hard they’ve pushed for it. It’s a shame the right to make such classic, great games have been inherited by these people. I hope Adeptus Titanicus is super popular and 3rd party companies make a fortune off selling us tanks, troops n planes to go with the titans.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      The problem is that to get an epic feel with 40k models, you need a long and wide board. 6 feet is about the max you can do for 40k before it gets to be too wide (even then 6 feet is probably a bit much). 30 foot tables are doable but without the extra width, you don’t have much room for the massive amount of models to maneuver.

      • ZeeLobby

        Haha. This years play accessory release: The Table Extender!

      • benn grimm

        Space is definitely an issue. For me also I find the rules far more elegant and far better suited to large scale engagements. There is an insane amount of dice rolling in 40k, half of which feels somewhat unnecessary, particularly when it results in very little happening, at Apoc levels it becomes near unbearable, for me anyway.

  • SilentPony

    There’s something deliciously schadenfreude about this. First plastic Battle Sisters get an axe up the hoohaa, not Titan Epic is next on the chopping block.
    Its almost like Games Workshop, the company infamous for treating its customers with giggling contempt and actively misinforming people as to upcoming releases, lied about everything and doesn’t care.

    • Horus84cmd

      I feel you are making the misconception of confusing what was actually said by GW/FW in regards to plastic sisters/Epic and what was subsequently inferred (and over inflated), from these statement, by the ‘voices’ of the internet.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      They are going to release plastic Sisters, just not right now. Probably at or around the launch of the new edition in the summer (when there will be a lot of 40k buzz).

      • Loki Nahat

        there’s absolutely no reason for them to release sisters as a separate faction as they were never a very popular line, and definitely not at a new edition (if indeed we are getting one, I seriously doubt it, though we might be getting a 40k-lite for the AoS newbros as a crutch until they level up to 40k proper) , Catagorically ‘new editions’/box-sets will be used to sell poster boys and trope bad guys

        • Donald Lindsey

          I agree, and eldar and dark eldar should be a combined codex as neither of them are popular…oh, and Chaos marines should stay bland since they’re not popular either.

          • Loki Nahat

            Sorry, I don’t see the comparison

          • Donald Lindsey

            Don’t worry, sarcasm comes with age and experience…it’ll occur to you in a few years.

          • Loki Nahat

            You’re trying to imply that sisters are popular by referencing eldar (the most popular xenos)? Well, that’s certainly non sensical.

            Sisters were canned because they didn’t sell, first pulled from stores, then online

            The Chaos Marine reference, which are now no longer bland, has nothing to do with sisters, but, well ok *shrug*

            Perhaps English isn’t your first language? That’s cool, so your attempt at sarcasm didn’t come across? All is forgiven.

  • Frank O’Donnell

    40K became Epic & that’s why they don’t want to redo it

    • mrt181

      True story. It’s epic with giant placeholders for all minis. Otherwise all the weapon distances would be totally ridiculous, unit coherence distance wouldn’t make sense, like way to close to get all killed by one grenade. Grenades can’t be thrown only used during assault, that is when you are in throwing distance while getting close enough…

      • Loki Nahat

        I always like the abstraction that imperial guard models were representations of 10 bodies

  • Douglas Lang

    Whew, if it is just titans/knights it means I can give it a miss – some non GW games are clamouring for attention.

  • DeadlyYellow

    The joys of $30 Blood Bowl characters.

    Looking forward to team boxes though. Always favored Nurgle’s aesthetic.

  • I’m kind of relieved, as I’m currently busy stripping back and repainting my old Space Marine and Ork epic armies. All the work won’t be wasted!

  • Ridicule

    Ugh, I want to play giant battles! Regular 40k is hardly well suited for that…

  • Gideon Ernesto

    Well I guess then I’ll keep playng other companies games if the don’t bring Epic back.
    6-15mm is market segment unto it’s own, which they just surrendered.
    Sure 40k and Epic were deviding the market at the time. But that market didn’t have FoW, Team Yankee, DW, Planetfall, DZC, Halo and many more.

    Guess we also won’t see a fully realized Necromunda or other 40k skirmisher then.

  • 40KstillRulesTheTT

    Just titans with nothing else ?? Why on earth would anyone be interested in playing that game ? Who here is actually willing to actually try out that concept when they could be playing “propoer” epic with existing (house)rules? Especially since the minis will not be usable in any other game besides a “house ruled epic 40k game” (though i would understand one wants to collect them if you are into collecting minis). I want Epic back !! 🙁 (i’m not into house rules as not enough ppl are willing to try house rules in my circles)

    • Donald Lindsey

      Are u like 8?

      • Mira Bella

        Eh there is no talk about tanks and infantry following.
        This will be a pure Titan/Knight game.
        They MIGHT produce another game which MIGHT feature tanks and infantry.
        So there will be no EPIC as we know it.

    • Horus84cmd

      Yeah….sheesh…I mean it is NOT like Epic was originally born out of a game that was ‘just’ titans……no wait…I think, I think that that is wrong….

  • KingThrogg

    Thats ok GW/FW we have got it covered. (And we also have the new Titan in white metal.
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  • Manwiththedogs

    No Epic? Me sad. Very sad. And full of rage and hatred also.