40K: Are Harlequins Good Now? – FTN

Did Fracture of Biel-Tan give the Harlequins what it takes to win?

 

I ask the guys this week to talk about the Gathering Storm Book II specifically for us to determine if it gave Harlequins what they need to be competitive outside of the Reborn Warhost Detachment.

 

Hey Everyone,

I am long time fan of Harlequins. They were my first army.  I remember going to the game store and asking if they had any Eldar.  They said no but they did have this box of Harlequins that were almost Eldar.  I bought them and I was hooked.

This was back in the day when you could field 15,000 points with just a handful of models.  The Harlequins didn’t disappoint and they were exactly what I needed to match up against my buddies.

I don’t want to spoil the episode but we do dissect the Soulburst – Strength from Death – rule.  Sadly, I don’t think the Harlequins are going to return to their ancient glory in the Reborn Warhost but the new HQ models this books gives them may help them bring some new life to the humble Combined Arms Detachment.

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  • MrGeomaster

    An interesting note on being ‘locked in combat until the end of the phase’ is that you can make a rules argument to activate hit and run even if you have wiped out the enemy unit because you are still locked in combat with a nonexistent unit when hit and run would trigger

    • J Mad

      Yeah, if others argue that you are “locked in combat till end of phase” then they have to allow Hit and Run as it says “when you are locked in combat”

  • Dan Berger

    i used to run my harlequins as a detachment and then run an autarch 2x dire avengers a crimson hunter and a wraithknight. it did well in casual play and i found it could handle most of the things i expected to see (flying, armor, troops)

  • Dan Berger

    getting yncarne on the table from having death jesters make people flee off the table may be powerful as well

    • Inquisitor Valeria

      That doesn’t count. Fleeing the table. It excludes that in the Soulburst rule.

  • Koszka

    Harlequins were always good. Ynnari just made them better. I’ve been a fan of Cegorach’s revenge for a very long time. You learn to fear it quick when played by a smart player.

  • Byungwook Kim

    Eldar didn’t need Ynnari, but dark eldar and harlequins needed it.

    Hope they show up on games..

    • J Mad

      Harlequins are fine (I play them, Eldar and DE) DE on the other hand needs a new book, formations can fix them but honestly they along with IG, nids and orcs just need new books.

  • Earl Tower

    My wife is fond of harlequins and uses them to good measure. We tried them in battle against the new Genestealer cult codex forces, and they were quite impressive.

    Still I am sure many eldar players can’t wait to field a mixed eldar army as they are statted out in Gathering Storm II

  • piglette

    I feel that, for me personally, to run clowns. I feel that it’s better in a CAD in my personal opinion. I just feel that’s the best way personally. That’s my opinion. If you’re set on running clowns, or like mostly clowns, maybe at least 2/3 or your points clowns, then for me, personally, I feel that it’s best done in a CAD, but that’s just my personal opinion for me personally in my opinion.

    • Jesse Butler

      The Ynnead formation is exactly like a CAD and adds extra rules. There’s no downside to run Harlequins as a Ynnead force. Especially since they don’t lose anything the way eldar and dark eldar do.

      Not to mention the fact that Harlequins can’t run in a CAD, no HQ.

      On the other hand, I look forward to putting my Harlequins in Raiders.

  • Commissar Molotov

    I feel like what I’ve seen so far from the new Fracture of Biel-Tan book might make traditional craftworld Eldar better rather than making Dark Eldar or Harlequins better. Aspect warriors getting access to the Harlequins’ assault transport seems like it could be a real game-changer for Banshees.

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      The trouble is that you have to take multiple Warhosts to get enough FA slots for the units you want to transport in assault transports.

      • Wolfsark

        You can take a minimum HQ and troops for the Reborn Warhost requirements for 90 points. Two squads of 5 Kabalite Warriors and a Court of the Archon (1 Lhamean).

  • J Mad

    I’ve been playing Harlequins for a bit now, wanting to do more tournaments (only done some local ones nothing Meta).

    I’ve always been a fan of MSU for them, I take 2 of the Main Masque Detachment

    Basically its

    6x: Troupe: x3 Caress, x1 Kiss, HWG (only 4 have Starweavers)
    FA 1 Starweaver, Skyweavers x2 glaives
    Voidweaver +Prism connon
    3 Shadowseers lv2 HWG

    The Death Jesters are basically same points as Starweavers, so for me Death jesters didnt play a good roll. The Solitaire is very fun but doesnt do enough to justify 150pts.

    Ive had A LOT of good games with this list. having 8 Vehicles that are 4++ for a turn with 6 S6 shots is stronger than it seems.

  • Zyekian

    The podcast is debating using Harlquin formations or Ynnari… but failed to mention that Harlequin formations can be taken as part of the Ynnari Warhost. This is critical and I think the whole podcast segment would have gone very differently had the guys been aware of the rules.

    • winterman

      I haven’t listened yet but the harlequin masque detachment is more efficient than the revenge formation since it has looser requirements and less tax, but isn’t available to ynnari. So if you want to run and charge via harlequin command benefits then it will cost a lot of extra points to do it in a reborn warhost.

  • Inquisitor Valeria

    How do you guys interpret taking formations as part of a Reborn Warhost? Technically the list showing what you can take doesn’t show anything about formations. 1-2 HQ, 2+ Troops, 0-3 Elites etc… but it doesn’t have the formation symbol on there.

    Then the Formations list on the facing page says “One of the following:” but it also says that at the top of each other box. As in 1 HQ choice is one of the following.

    Personally I think it would be overly pedantic to not allow formations that are clearly listed to be taken as part of the warhost. But can you take just one? Or more than one?