40K 8th Edition Launch Products PRICES

Get your wallets ready. Warhammer 40,000 8th is coming June 3rd and here is what it will cost you:

These prices are being reported by multiple retailers:

Warhammer 40,000 Dark Imperium Starter Set: $160

  • 53 minis
  • Hardcover rulebook
  • Primaris & Death Guard books (24pp apiece)
  • Core Rules Reference (8pp)
  • Dice
  • Ruler
  • Primaris Marines Decals

Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition Ruebook $60

Hardcover, 280pp

 

Warhammer 40,000 Index Books $25 apiece

Index Imperium 1: Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Legion of the Damned

Index Imperium 2: Astra Militarum, Adeptus Mechanicus, Imperial KNights, Imperial Agents, Talons of the Emperor

Index Chaos: Heretic Astartes, Chaos Daemons, Questor Traitoris

Index Xenos 1: Craftworlds, Drukarii, Ynnari, Harlequins, Necrons

Index Xenos 2: Orks, Tau Empire, Tyranids, Genestealer Cults

Misc. Accessories

Tactical Objective Cards $12.50
Sector Imperialis Objectives $35
Command Dice  $20
Wound Trackers $12.50
Combat Gauge $10

Also, I greatly appreciate GW branching out into xenos skull artwork…

 

~Shop till you drop!

  • Matthew Pomeroy

    cant complain about the price, sadly will pass due to primaris marines.

    • Tiernoc

      Am I the only one who remembers a Bell article showcasing the box that was supposed to be released with 8th edition that said something like two Tac squads, a Librarian, and a Captain for the Marines side?

      I could have SWORN they ran an article about it recently but for the life of me cannot find it.

      FWIW I would have purchased a box of these if they weren’t Primaris marines as well. Not that I have anything against them per se, but if I’m going to start a Marine army, I’d rather start with the equivalent of the Start Collecting box.

      • AircoolUK

        If I wasn’t interesting in P-Marines, I’d go for those Star Collecting boxes as well. Most of ’em come with a model which is almost the same price as the whole box (Tau and Seraphon come to mind).

        It’s a shame that some of them, such as Orks come with really ancient models :/

      • GnomesForge

        P-Marines are lame. That is all.

        • Derpius Prime

          boo, they’re cool. absolutely fluff-wrecking, but cool

    • Crevab

      I currently disdain them, but they’ll probably grow on me in the coming months/years.

      But if you think you’ll never like them, then split the set with one of the fans flipping out over new muhrines. I’m sure they’ll be in high demand

      • Bram Achternaam

        Or if you’re a bit smarter and don’t like them, don’t buy them at all. Vote with your wallet. If enough people refuse to buy these GW will get the message.

        • AircoolUK

          Sadly, not going to happen. P-Marines will sell in huge numbers. I think I know of just one guy who wouldn’t be interested (and probably be somewhat huffed about it), and that’s the chap with whom I play 3rd Edition WHFB.

        • Manuel Bateman

          yeah only most people think they are awesome, so i guess GW will get that message instead

        • Grawbad

          I think they are awesome. Just because you don’t think they are, doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to buy them.

          And what is the message you want to convey? Don’t release new models? Don’t add on to the story THEY have created? I don’t get it?
          I also don’t get fidget spinners, but I am not on a crusade to see them removed from store shelves.

    • piglette

      Yet I bet you’re okay with Primarchs. I guess making bigger marines is only okay if the Emperor does it.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        primarchs belong in 30k. not a fan of them for 40k

    • dave long island

      You’re a hard man, but fair.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        Its nothing personal against them, just they don’t really fit my black templars or dark angels forces, style wise.

  • Damon Sherman

    So, are GW going to make this quality of chaos marines available outside of the box, or is it dark Vengeance all over again?

    • NNextremNN

      Splitting the box and selling unwanted parts on ebay is probably cheaper then getting them in separate boxes at all. And I would bet that the primaris marines will be really popular more then the plaque marines.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      From what I understand, Deathguard are going to get a full release. So probably the contents of this box broken up and other units coming a long for the ride (like Mortarion)

      • Randy Randalman

        That’s a misunderstanding. The Death Guard will get a release much like the Thousand Sons did.

        • SWISSchris

          Yeah. There were death guard terminators in the teaser video for example that are not included in the new starter set.

      • Karru

        Actually, a good way to look at this release would be to go back and look how AoS did it. They released the Starter Set and soon after, they released both armies with their own kits. I don’t think the characters for example were available separately at any point.

    • Haravikk

      GW have been doing a lot of separate releases lately; take Burning of Prospero for example, with separate releases for Sisters of Silence and Custodes.

      The main question marks are characters, but I’d certainly expect the troops to be released.

    • Shawn

      It’s a boxed set. You can almost guarantee they’ll break the units up and sell them separately.

  • Boondox

    Not a bad deal. Gets better after dumping the Deathguard on ebay…

    • Randy Randalman

      Talk to a few guys above you who don’t want the Primaris Marines. Easy swap.

    • Nuno Castilho

      especially for the death guard buying guys on ebay

  • Crevab

    Anyone know what the date is going to be in 8th? Sometime late m42?

    • Skript

      It have to because the last entry in most of the new books war 999M41 I guess it will after that date.

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        Yes, definitely into M42 at this point.

        • NNextremNN

          They should have renamed the new 40K into 41K or make a joke and even jump to 42K XD

          • euansmith

            2,000AD is still 2,000AD 😉

          • NNextremNN

            Well I live in the 21st century but many still live in the past. I think this is more of a marketing thing than any logic thing.

          • bobrunnicles

            No comma – it’s a straight ‘2000AD’ 🙂 🙂

  • Ghaniman

    Yeah… I’m not buying any of those Index books at that price.

    • Gunther Clone C

      Considering I have Orks, Nids, and Genestealer Cults, I’ll only be buying one. Any particular reason you’re not interested? I also have Wolves, but I’m passing on the Space Marine and waiting for the faction specific book to drop.

      • Ghaniman

        I live in New Zealand, that $25 cost is ridiculously marked up, and I’d need two.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          GW is making an app but it will not be available at launch

          • paxter

            the app does not work like AOS u wont get the units rules for free. U will still need to pay for them

          • Me

            Where did you read this?

        • Muninwing

          marked up, or taxed by your government and shipped to the far end of the world?

          • Ross Brewster

            NZ Prices are 30% higher than the U.K. Nothing to do with taxes. GW claims it is supporting the hobby and that costs more. Most people here would rather have lower prices and do without GW supporting the hobby.

            I buy my models in the UK and get relatives to ship them over and it is still cheaper than buying them in New Zealand.

          • Muninwing

            what does “supporting the hobby” mean?

          • Muninwing

            looking quickly, it seems that it’s because of a few factors. first, they set values back in 06 or so (or 05, depending on sources), when the NZ and AUS currencies were not doing well vs the Pound. that means that despite your money being worth more now, you’re still paying at the rate as if it was not.

            second, it looks like some of the money is due to shipping costs.

            third, i was wrong about taxes (though there are some countries where that accounts for most of the price differential).

            also… naftka had an article about the “antipodean tax” that was really interesting. it als had some workarounds that people use (like mail forwarding — ordering at US prices, then having it shipped to a ghost address for $20 or so more and a wait time, great on large orders)

            so yeah… it’s a complicated issue. but i cannot find anything about “supporting the hobby” being a cause for any of it, or what that even means,

        • Gunther Clone C

          Lame, I’m really sorry to hear that.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      25 bucks for all the rule for a minimum 3 faction v 50 bucks for each individual codex…

      • Karru

        Or $0 if they hadn’t invalidated all the books.

        I seriously cannot fathom people who make this comment. In earlier editions your books didn’t magically stop working. You could still use them, even if one of the armies was updated as the cursed first codex. Now, you have to buy a Compendium for $25 just to even play your army. Then after awhile they release a codex for that army and now you need to get another.

        I’m in a worse position as I have to buy 4. I have Orks, Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Eldar…

        • Ghaniman

          When they last invalidated the codices was 2nd to 3rd edition. The rules came free in the rulebook.
          I’ll get the Indexes, but I ain’t paying for em.

          • karloss01

            Then just download the profiles on their site? It just like the AoS Alliance books and the online sheets; the only difference is that the alliance books came with battalion warscrolls (Formations).

          • Ghaniman

            No one knows if GW will be releasing anything except the main rules for free.

        • SYSTem050

          Tell that to my 2nd ed codexs (and 16 year old self 😦)

          • Karru

            Well, back in those days, the pricing wasn’t as bad as it was now.

          • SYSTem050

            Whooah was that goal posts going past 😊

          • Muninwing

            are you adjusting for inflation? and durability? and color printing?

        • Heinz Fiction

          Lukily I’ll only need 2 of these books. It’s still not cheap but i’ll prefer it compared to having to play with an outdated book for the majority of the liftime of the new edition

          • Muninwing

            the issue is not that they are all being replaced…. it’s that they are all being replaced at once.

            that means that the outlay for those of us who have multiple armies is more at once.

            then again, we don’t need every book at once.

            and i would normally buy them all eventually anyway, so this is really just a (much) cheaper way for me to do that.

            seriously… right now, if i wanted to be fully prepared for every army i have… i’d need seven separate codexes plus at least two expansion books for formations. meaning i’d need nearly $500 in books.

            now, i can actually just buy four of the five new ones and spend $100. i just have to do it now, rather than spread over a couple years.

        • Fergie0044

          T’is the nature of the beast Karru! The hobby has always demanded you buy new books very so often. If you wanted to stay current that is. In old editions you could keep your old codex sure, just like now you can keep playing 7th if you can find enough like minded people.

          Bad luck with your spread of armies though. I’m considering holding back on getting the index for my ad-mech since they are rumored to be getting a full codex later this year.

          • AircoolUK

            What makes me laugh is people who were crying out for a new Codex, for their armies to get some love…

            …and are now raging about it 😀

          • Daniel Enos

            Thank you…. People complained because their codex was old. People complained about power creep. People complained about balance, formations, datasheets, the almost endless places rules were located, the price of the game.

            GW listens, actually address just about every on going complaint, even making changes that lower the cost of the game.

            And now people still complain. Even when this is likely to follow the AoS standard and release the basic information needed to play for free.

          • stinkoman

            what changes lower the cost of the game? certainly not from the codex aspect. i have to buy an index to get started, then a codex when it releases. at a minimum im spending more. and if they update the armies with indexes each year, thats another buy, plus maybe an updated codex. or we may go back to just waiting for codex updates again. no change, just a short bump in cost.

          • Daniel Enos

            How about GW lifting the ridiculous restriction of online retailers being able to offer a shopping cart..

            Now MM and TWS are freely offering GW stuff at a discount that most other gamers have enjoyed for a while.

            Or maybe offering the new edition rules for free. When just one edition ago we went from 6th to 7th in under 2 years and the books were almost 80.

            As far a Codices go. $25 for the rules for every flavor of marine vs. 60 for a new SM codex 40 for Blood Angels, 40 for Space Wolves, 40 for Dark Angels. etc etc etc.

            And finally, there is no reason to believe that 40 k which is thus far following the AoS standard isnt’ going to release the datasheets for free along with the rules. Even if they don’t 25.00 is hardly a lot of money when you look at the hobby you’re in.

            Just like I’m making an assumption about the indexes being free you’re assuming the codices released later will be anything other than fluff, you’re also assuming that the codex “wait” will happen again when in fact they might just keep doing yearly updates to rules and units. Truth is much of the future model is unknown.

            What we do know now, 25 dollars gets you into 8th edition if you have a single army.

            compared to 80 to get into 7th edition however many years ago.

          • stinkoman

            you get base rules for free, yes. but we all know you will need the extra rule sets for matched play, etc. we also know that the codices will have additional rules, not just fluff.

            im not sure i know a single person getting into 40k, as expensive as it is, that wants just the bare minimum. that’s just a rainbow thought.

            not to mention folks that are already in the hobby (whom have the most complaints about it). they are already invested and will require all new books for one army. index, codex, FW book, complete rule book.

            i cant comment on the online retailer stuff since i either buy from my FLGS or at a really deep discount online and from recasters.

          • Muninwing

            aren’t the indexes replacing the codexes?

          • stinkoman

            maybe by name. but GW mentioned that there will be army specific books (be it index or codex) coming out later.

          • Muninwing

            and people who were complaining about how not-durable the old codexes were suddenly didn’t want to have to pay the extra price of the hardcovers…

            and the people who were complaining about having to tote around three or four different books to represent their lists now can use one or two books for the whole thing, but are suddenly aghast that they need to buy two new books.

        • AircoolUK

          I’ll be getting all 5. At least that way, if my mate’s need to ‘borrow’ one, they can.

          Most people around here are like myself, have enough money to buy ‘all the things’, plus limited editions and any promotional gizzits, but, as gaming is a group thing, books get passed around, boxes get split and spare models given away.

          • Muninwing

            GW should sponsor gaming clubs and give clubs of certain sizes who pay a registering fee a whole slew of benefits.

            one benefit should be that you can get a “club copy” set of the armybooks, even if it’s a lite version (just rules) or a digital one (easily duplicated). it would possibly make up what they lose from pirated copies.

        • Muninwing

          except that they did kinda…

          you could, possibly, use the old rules. if your opponent agreed. if you wanted to not have access to new stuff. if it was worth it when you opted out of codex creep.

          it may have been a theoretical option, but it wasn’t a good one.

          now, there’s a new system with new points and new rules and new everything. they’ve been needing this for a long time. i may not like everything they have changed, but it’s better than the same old same old that wasn’t working.

          it’s not a sales tactic. it’s an effective reboot. and while not as drastic as the AoS one, it has been a bit more in need.

        • Superstew

          I need to buy all 5. Orks, Tau, Imperial Knights,Grey Knights, Dark Eldar and Daemons…so I have to buy all 5…mostly for just one army.

      • It’s 25 bucks to try a game I’m not really convinced isn’t going to suck just as bad as the last one. It’s a great deal for current players who are going to buy anyway, I’ll give you that.

      • stinkoman

        these wont have the rules that the new codexes will have. just the unit cards. no wargear specific to factions from what i understand. basically you’ll be buying two books for your army in the first year, then the next year will update them all again. people arent seeing this though. so even though they are cheaper, you will buy 3 books between now and a year from now, for one army.

    • The14th

      Are you upset they are too cheap?

      • Ghaniman

        Yep, that’s total it.

      • Cool man, since they are cheap buy them for me.

        • georgelabour

          Cool man since it’s logical for others to work for a stranger’s toys go get a job and send me your packcheck.

          Then I’ll send you a toy just like you asked.

          • The thing is, I get to decide how I spend my money and what value a product has. So if some one is going to tell me how much value something has for me they can buy it for me. Otherwise I’ll make my own decisions on what to buy.
            Troll harder Georgie, this was a poor effort.

          • georgelabour

            If someone has an opinion that differs from your own then they should be the ones providing for you.

            Yeah, there’s a mindset that any candy bar craving eight year old can get behind.

          • I hardly call a $25 “toy” providing. Not all opinions are equally valid. Not everyone gets a trophy here. Other people’s opinions on how someone decides to spend their money are nonsensical, unless those people have a financial stake in the decision. So someone should pony up, accept that their opinion is idiotic, or mind their own business in the first place.

          • georgelabour

            Well I’ll agree with you that some people should keep their idiotic opinions to themselves.

            They should also avoid ad hominems and childish logic when trying to rationalize their own ill conceived statements.

          • I’m impressed by intellectual flexibility, for lack of a better word, that lets you reference ad hominem and than use one in the same sentence.

      • stinkoman

        add the index cost to your codex cost when it comes out. then tell us which is cheaper.

        • Muninwing

          a $20 codex in 2002 would have one faction in it and sell for $27 today with inflation.

          having 3-5 armies to use in each book, and being effectively cheaper than they were back in 3rd is a huge deal.

          • stinkoman

            they specifically said there will be codexes coming out for each army after the indexes. so buy an index now and a specific codex later.

  • Gunther Clone C

    So I’m confused what is the purpose of “Command Dice?” Are they just specially themed d6 like the Faction specials previously released?

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      6 of the dice have symbols on them, the others are just skulls. No idea what they will be used for.

      http://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/40K_Command_Dice.jpg

      • Randy Randalman

        They are unit statuses and command points.

        • AircoolUK

          Pretty much. Does make you wonder that some of those abilities that cost 5-6 command points do.

          I quite like the one with a Marine’s head poking above a wall. One definitely looks like an orbital bombardment, and there’s some Drop Pods. Probably something you buy beforehand and can bring in whenever you spend the CP’s… I dunno?

  • James Tompsett

    The fluff is ridiculous but the models are gorgeous. As long as they don’t make new imperial guard figures the same size, space marines finally have the stature they deserve.

    • Crevab

      Taller than things taller than them?

    • AEZ

      Not sure why the fluff is ridiculous (at least in comparison to the fluff it evolves from). New marines after 10K years isn’t odd.. it’s way past time. If we had space marines IRL and all sorts of tech to produce them there would be a new marine type every year, bigger and better…ask Apple and Samsung.

      • Crevab

        Not sure if serious

        • Karru

          I truly hope not.

          • CloakingDonkey

            I’m not sure if you were aware but the fluff was always camp nonsense… 10000 souls a day! only war! an open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded! Bring forth the Dark Blood Wolf Angel Templar Crushers! muuuueeeeeerrr so much edge. But Guillimarines? Well I never, sir! 😛

          • Karru

            You do realise that having the ability to basically mass produce super soldiers that are better in almost every way to their old super soldiers that were barely able to defend the Imperium basically removes the entire point of the whole “grimdark” desperation story from the lore right? You know, the core of the entire lore?

            Also, the fact that a 10.000 year old mechanicus dude suddenly one-upped the Emperor while also committing massive tech heresy is basically hailed as a hero right now for what he did.

            The entire point of the 40k lore regarding Imperium has always been this:

            If the Imperium got it sh*t together, it would rule the galaxy without rivals. This was the entire point of the Great Crusade, Emperor united the Imperium once more and no one could stand in their way.

            Then after Horus Heresy, Imperium fell into a dark place. Science was replaced with religion, superstition took over and Imperium fell from the position of power. The only thing that ever held the Imperium together was its massive size and resources. Problem was, everyone knew they couldn’t do it forever, because their technology was slowly degrading. Inventing anything new was heresy, only old technology could be used. This led to Imperium suffering whenever a Forge World was destroyed that had STC for something, as that technology was now lost forever.

            Now, they are basically removing all that. Imperium is going back to its glorious days of reason and logic. They are removing the “restraints” that kept the lore within reason. Now, there is literally nothing that could stop Imperium from ROFL stomping everyone. They have the resources, the manpower AND now they can start to invent and research again. They can grow a greater army in vats than the Emperor could manage during his time before and during the Great Crusade. There is literally NOTHING that now can stop the Imperium from coming the rulers of the galaxy.

            Of course, this is the point where the some might point out “BUT CHAOS AND THE SPLITTING OF THE IMPERIUM!!!1”. Doesn’t matter. Since we now have someone that can CLEARLY one-up the Emperor, the Imperium has nothing to fear. Also, they can just go ahead and ally themselves with Eldar again to beat back Chaos, something that is also now 100% legit and reasonable. There is no Grim and Dark in the 41st millenium. In the 42nd Millenium, there is only Imperium and their Alien friends.

            With Guilliman out and about, basically all the old “lore rules” are null and void. They can do whatever they want, invent new tech, create new Space Marines and even Ally with Xenos, anything goes. There is no hopelessness in the lore any more, well except for Chaos that is. They’ll never win, a Daemon Primarch can be stopped as we have seen with Magnus, so even their return won’t mean anything.

            Even Tyranids are starting to be less of a threat than they were originally. Even if the next wave of Tyranids is bigger than the one we have, Imperium can just invent a new toy that just obliterates them in one shot. Nothing holding them back from that now.

          • euansmith
          • Karru

            “Primaris Centurion fighting a Tyranid Bio Titan” – Circa 42nd Millenium

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            well placed sir 😀

          • kloosterboer

            An excellent synopsis.

          • Heinz Fiction

            I have a slightly different impression. That ‘mechanicus dude’ needed 10k years to slightly improve an existing technology. If progress continues at that rate the Tau will have reached transcendence before the Imperium invents anything groundbreaking. Also during the great crusade there was no major threat besides the Orks maybe. Now we have hive fleets closing in, Necrons awakening and a galaxy wide warp rift. I don’t see the Imperium rofl-stomping anyone in the foreseeable future.

          • Karru

            But they still could, if the writers would just go ahead and do it.

            40k did the same mistake Star Trek did, it was in Voyager I believe. Basically, that one series removed the need for “dangerous exploration” because you could just now stick sentient A.Is to pilot ships all over the place.

            40k removed the barriers that kept the lore “in check” so to speak. It is one of the most basic rules any writer needs to make sure doesn’t happen. A great story puts limits on things, but GW threw that out the window.

            All these years, Imperium has been this massive empire that had huge amounts of resources and massive military might. They were kept in check by their massive problems, amongst them the biggest was the “laws” they had in place for anything that would help them become the undisputed rulers of the galaxy.

            None of those exist any more and now Imperium is finally going to become the undisputed rules of the galaxy, of course writers won’t allow that to happen so the story becomes extremely frustrating to read. So instead of being “yeah, if Imperium only did this, they could do so much better”, you go “if these god damn writers didn’t purposefully make these idiots utterly ret*rded, they would conquer the galaxy with ease.”

          • Danny Carr

            How have they one upped the emperor?
            The ability to create something superior to Astartes has been there for ages. Primarchs, Custodes, Raptors and Thunder Warriors were all better warriors. He wanted super soldiers he could churn out quickly for and during the great crusade, that’s what the astartes were. He was pumping legions of the things out mere decades after the primarchs disappearance. There is nothing that suggests the Emperor could not have improved them. Considering the raptors I’d say it’s guaranteed he could unless Corax was smarter than him?

            Corax pumps out superior marines while the emperor was still alive. Corvus did it much quicker than Cawl did as well. Cawl has taken 10,000 years to marginally improve the space marines. 10,000 years to marginally improve on an existing design is shockingly long.

            As for the Imperium suddenly been able to stomp everyone. Not a hope. Guilliman coming back seems like it’s basically going to be like a giant signal flare. Magnus is gunning for him. Mortarion is gunning for him. You can bet Angron at the least will as well. The chaos gods are building a response to his Primaris, they’ve been around for almost no time at all and there’s already a counter to them. That’s all without mentioning the Imperium has always had the ability to pump out a lot of astartes if they wanted. They don’t because the horus heresy made them paranoid about anyone having hundreds of thousands of astartes under their command a view Guiliman endorsed. Not much has changed except now the wars are going to escalate.

            That’s all without mentioning the Imperium is painfully fanatical, paranoid, backwards and doesn’t have the emperor and 18 primarchs, the great crusade didn’t fight Necrons, Tyranids or chaos space marines. Guilliman isn’t just suddenly going to be able to turn the Imperium back to the 30k “happy” days.

          • Danny Carr

            How have they one upped the emperor?
            The ability to create something superior to Astartes has been there for ages. Primarchs, Custodes, Raptors and Thunder Warriors were all better warriors. He wanted super soldiers he could churn out quickly for and during the great crusade, that’s what the astartes were. He was pumping legions of the things out mere decades after the primarchs disappearance. There is nothing that suggests the Emperor could not have improved them. Considering the raptors I’d say it’s guaranteed he could unless Corax was smarter than him?

            Corax pumps out superior marines while the emperor was still alive. Corvus did it much quicker than Cawl did as well. Cawl has taken 10,000 years to marginally improve the space marines. 10,000 years to marginally improve on an existing design is shockingly long.

            As for the Imperium suddenly been able to stomp everyone. Not a hope. Guilliman coming back seems like it’s basically going to be like a giant signal flare. Magnus is gunning for him. Mortarion is gunning for him. You can bet Angron at the least will as well. The chaos gods are building a response to his Primaris, they’ve been around for almost no time at all and there’s already a counter to them. That’s all without mentioning the Imperium has always had the ability to pump out a lot of astartes if they wanted. They don’t because the horus heresy made them paranoid about anyone having hundreds of thousands of astartes under their command a view Guiliman endorsed. Not much has changed except now the wars are going to escalate.

            That’s all without mentioning the Imperium is painfully fanatical, paranoid, backwards and doesn’t have the emperor and 18 primarchs, the great crusade didn’t fight Necrons, Tyranids or chaos space marines. Guilliman isn’t just suddenly going to be able to turn the Imperium back to the 30k “happy” days.

          • Danny Carr

            How have they one upped the emperor?
            The ability to create something superior to Astartes has been there for ages. Primarchs, Custodes, Raptors and Thunder Warriors were all better warriors. He wanted super soldiers he could churn out quickly for and during the great crusade, that’s what the astartes were. He was pumping legions of the things out mere decades after the primarchs disappearance. There is nothing that suggests the Emperor could not have improved them. Considering the raptors I’d say it’s guaranteed he could unless Corax was smarter than him?

            Corax pumps out superior marines while the emperor was still alive. Corvus did it much quicker than Cawl did as well. Cawl has taken 10,000 years to marginally improve the space marines. 10,000 years to marginally improve on an existing design is shockingly long.

            As for the Imperium suddenly been able to stomp everyone. Not a hope. Guilliman coming back seems like it’s basically going to be like a giant signal flare. Magnus is gunning for him. Mortarion is gunning for him. You can bet Angron at the least will as well. The chaos gods are building a response to his Primaris, they’ve been around for almost no time at all and there’s already a counter to them. That’s all without mentioning the Imperium has always had the ability to pump out a lot of astartes if they wanted. They don’t because the horus heresy made them paranoid about anyone having hundreds of thousands of astartes under their command a view Guiliman endorsed. Not much has changed except now the wars are going to escalate.

            That’s all without mentioning the Imperium is painfully fanatical, paranoid, backwards and doesn’t have the emperor and 18 primarchs, the great crusade didn’t fight Necrons, Tyranids or chaos space marines. Guilliman isn’t just suddenly going to be able to turn the Imperium back to the 30k “happy” days.

          • TurdFerguson

            I see your point, and I agree with the frustration. In order to keep generating the profits they do, GW has to make “necessary” updates to the game…..which is one major reason why I stopped playing with my Pewter and Plastic Crack. The utter frustration that I experienced between jumping back in at the end of 5th ed and the 6-7th debacle caused me to box it all up and turn away for a second time. A buddy convinced me to check out this new release. I just don’t know if I can muster another few hundred dollars (turning into thousands, I’m sure) on something that will change again in two years…not to mention all of the modeling, converting, painting, reading, learning, and most importantly; time. It makes sense to me that the Imperium of Man would eventually sort out their daddy issues and right the ship…..my 14 year old self just doesn’t want it to change.

          • Muninwing

            but he was able to do it in complete secrecy, as a member of a faction that is terrified of new advances and literally worship ancient tech.

            and he happened to have been told to do it by one dude just in time for that dude’s timely resurrection.

            it’s kinda campy in its coming-together, especially while it uses the Warmachine-lore tactic of “well, in the whole country, there’s only about 20 people who matter, and they are the only ones who interact in a meaningful way in the plot”

          • AircoolUK

            Aye, the original 40K was pretty much Warhammer Fantasy crossed with David Lynch’s Dune.

          • Muninwing

            dune, definitely. but there’s just as much Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead as Dune if we’re going Lynchian…

          • AircoolUK

            I find it easier to swallow than the ridiculous werewolf and vampire nonsense that appeared to catch the ‘Buffy The Vampire Slayer’ crowd.

            I’ve never been a fan of Ultramarines since they usurped the Crimson Fists as the poster boys. However, Bobby Goldstraw does come across as quite a tough nut, not the goody-two-shoes I was expecting.

          • Muninwing

            40k predates BtVS… at least the show…

            but vampires and werewolves were just invented for that show, so… /s

        • ZeeLobby

          Eh. He’s been defending for a while. Even the 40K die hard at our local store don’t try to defend the fluff anymore.

          • Muninwing

            the fluff was… weird 80s hair metal mixed with 70s scifi mixed with a ton of other fringe stuff back when the internet didn’t exist so it was hard to find what was truly fringe/outsider territory.

            then it got settled into a pattern, became a bit over-the-top grimdark, laid down the Horus Heresy stuff and exaggerated the religious iconography, and started in on the fear that the universe was a much larger and scarier place than we expected.

            then it got into its groove, lightened up a bit, did its grimdark thing well, had Chaos well-defined, and made all that extreme and crazy that was left look cool for being true to itself. and it chugged along all the way up until the “spiritual liege” days made it look campy and trite.

            and now we’re getting the “zomg look at what this special character can do!” crap that some other games do. it doesn’t even make sense in Warmachine that there’s really only about twenty named important people in the whole continent… nevermind on one planet, nevermind in an entire galaxy.

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha yeah. You nailed it. Same reason I find WMH fluff pretty meh… 2nd edition was a little too whacko, but i’d say 3rd through 5th is when grimdark really shined. From that point on it was pretty much downhill to where we are today (your last paragraph). IMO it just kills creativity in the setting. Creating, equipping your own captain and lieutenants used to be a big part of the fluff, whereas now they’re really pushing characters if you want any real diversity in your list. I mean my group is more than capable of continuing along the old vein, but it’s always disheartening when you know there will be no support for it going forward.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        Please look up definition of Grimdark.

        • ZeeLobby

          Kids these days XD. The imperium is now a safe space full of participation awards.

          • AircoolUK

            That was funny 🙂

          • ZeeLobby

            XD. Yeah. It’s too bad. I really liked the grimdark but those days are waning. I guess plots akin to super hero movies appeal more to the younger generations, but it kind of kills it for me. We’re inundated with that enough elsewhere, I liked 40Ks unique dark hopeless setting.

          • stinkoman

            dont forget safe rooms.

    • KreskinsESP

      I just like that they no longer look like they’re doing that shuffle you do when you poop but discover there’s no toilet paper so you have to get a roll from the other side of the bathroom.

  • Fergie0044

    Good to see the index books so cheap, I’ll probably get the 2 I’d need.
    Shame the big rulebook is not though. What are the chances of a softback version? (And yes, I’m aware of the free pdf, I just want ALL the rules in physical form)

    • Tshiva keln

      I’d guess probably not likely considering the same book is included in the starter box.

  • Arthfael

    Good job GW… the Primaris are already growing on me. Still, too much unpainted stuff…

  • MarcoT

    What might this be in Euros? Somewhere between €125 and €140 I guess for the box, and €20 for the books?

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      I don’t know. Bols only cares about USAnians. I do know its £95 for starter, £35 rules, £15 ‘Index’.

      • Crevab

        Oof, an exchange rate of 1.68 dollars/pound when it’s currently 1.3? And I don’t want to think about what folks are getting Down Under. Good think I get to stop by Nottingham on release week :p

        • AircoolUK

          Our ‘weak’ Sterling is more powerful that you can possible imagine.

          • Crevab

            Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Rountree the Wise?

          • AircoolUK

            I’m afraid that one must have passed me by…

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways,AircoolUK. Your
            sad devotion to that ancient currency has not helped you conjure up the
            stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the SW:A starter b…….

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          if they are manufactured in the UK then import duty explains quite a bit of the difference.

          • Crevab

            I buy stuff from the UK and around the world. GW aren’t unique but they’e definitely charging more than they need

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            you might be right, but its hard to know. It really depends where things are made and levels of import duty. Can be a big problem (I know because I export musical instruments to the States sometimes). Could be a huge chunk of additional costs.

      • euansmith

        “Quickly to Darksphere/Wayland Games!”

      • Suave

        This is what’s confusing me with the pricing.
        £95 converts to $125 USD. I’m not sure where people are getting $160 unless they’re talking $160 CAD and not USD.

        • Crevab

          It’s $160 because that’s what they’re charging. GW doesn’t use the actual exchange rate.

    • Karru

      Looking at the site, Space Marine codex, which is $58, it’s 43€. Disciples of Tzeentch is $25, it’s 20€.

    • CloakingDonkey

      it’s certainly more pricey than the Age of Sigmar starter… which is not a very good thing imo =(

      • AircoolUK

        Take into consideration the price of the hardback rulebook which is the same as the one in the boxed set, and it’s not too bad.

        I’m just hoping for some collectors editions with limited edition mini’s like the Chaplain from Dark Vengeance.

        • Crevab

          A Gamer’s edition ammo case! 15% larger than the one from 5th!

          • karloss01

            Still got that ammo case, and two of those chaplains on sprue.

    • euansmith

      You can never be too sure with GW; they don’t use straight up exchange rates when translating prices.

  • William Jameson

    RIP Khorne Daemonkin, not on the list for the Chaos armies.

    Unless there’s a way to emulate them by taking specifically only Khorne units?

    • Karru

      They won’t most likely be included on launch. They will most likely at some point release a new KDK book similar to the way AoS does it right now. Until then, you’ll have to go with a Chaos army that is a combination of CSM and Daemons without any of the fun stuff.

      • ZeeLobby

        Nah. They’ll just get a World Eaters book, like thousand sons and Deathguard. Khorne demonkin was like an aborted experiment. It was like they were considering moving forward with the other God’s but decided, smartly I might add, to release legion books instead.

    • karloss01

      they’re not mentioned because beyond the army special rules they were no different from chaos marines. The Daemonkin rules will return in a new codex.

      • AircoolUK

        I asked about some models and new rules, specifically for the Space Marine 2016 model with the Disintegrator. Apparently, the rules for that model exist in the new edition, so when they said every model, I think they really did mean every model.

  • Razerfree

    Damn $160? :-/ I get it has the full hardbook rulebook, but in starter box standards that’s quite expensive. Guess I’ll wait and see if the basic rules are any good before investing.

    • Devourer

      Agreed! I wonder if it is wise to make the starter box that expensive. I loved the previous ones especially for the small rule books

      • AircoolUK

        The little rulebooks were great. However, this time round, once you’ve built your army for a game, you won’t need anything apart from the core rules (8 pages) and your Datasheets.

        • GnomesForge

          How long will that last? Anyone really think in 6 months you wont need an extra book or two?

    • AircoolUK

      It’s not that much more than Imperial Assault, and that had way less stuff in it (good game though).

      • Razerfree

        I’m not talking about the price of the content. The content is probably worth those $160. Blood Bowl has less than half the content and costs $124.

        As an entry point for a game though, $160 is quite a lot of money to ask from someone who is new to the game and sees it sitting in the store shelves (not me).

        • NovaeVox

          Yeah. For the GW initiated it seems not so bad, if somewhat more expensive than previous starters. For wargaming newbs however, I’d expect some level of sticker shock. Particularly considering that GW’s major competitors have settled around the S$100 mark for their most recent 2-player starters. However, those games those games tend to be more skirmish focused when it comes model count, and that inevitably factors into cost-for-entry.

  • Kk

    Dual kit zombies/nurgle reavers for AOS?

  • Rainthezangoose

    Would it kill BOLS to put prices in € and £.

    • Parthis

      £95 for the starter, £15 for the indexes.

    • Karru

      43€ for the Rulebook.
      20€ for the Indexes.

      (Comparing current GW product pricing on the website)

  • Michael Campbell

    So… is that US$?

    • ILikeToColourRed

      yup, bols only works in usd

      • AircoolUK

        They should post in Aus $ so we can witness every US nerds’ head exploding.

        • ILikeToColourRed

          careful, last time I asked for more currencies my comments were removed

        • Me

          I don’t think it would just be us needing duct tape to hold our head together. EVERYONE would assume those were USD.

          What would be even better is to exclude the currency symbol and roll a six sided die to determine which currency to use.

        • Commissar Molotov

          I would poop my Rascal Scooter in shock.

    • Razerfree

      Considering it has the big rules book which probably adds $50 to a otherwise $110 starter set, yes it’s 160 george washingtons.

  • Parthis

    For anyone pondering the costs in their local currency; the UK retail price is £95, the same Calth, Prospero, etc. So it’ll be the same, or very near, that.

  • Karru

    Good to see that it isn’t AS expensive as I originally anticipated. I’ll be skipping the starter set because I have to buy 4 books and I really have no interest in Guilmarines. Death Guard on the other hand have little interest on me, as I am already doing a Nurgle army in AoS, so I’d much rather start another God army in the coming edition.

  • Bayne MacGregor

    The objectives are magnificent!
    Perfect for narrative gamers!

    • AircoolUK

      That Genestealer tank is great (and not from Aliens at all… which never, ever, influenced Space Hulk 🙂

      That Drop Pod though reminds me of one of the ancient Kenner Star Wars toys (AST-5 I think) that wasn’t in the movies, but was affordable. It was one of my favourite vehicles.

      • Bayne MacGregor

        This superb 2nd ed Jes Goodwin artwork was likely also a stepping stone to the tank, as it’s literally a genestealer head in a tank http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/27/57/cb/2757cb0d23112e25229eb09a3a17383d.gif

        There was also one in the rulebook for the 2nd 1st-ed space hulk expansion ‘Genestealer’ that had a grey knight terminator reporting to an inquisitor (with a bolter in his lectern) with a genestealer patriarch head in a jar, but i can’t find a link for that great pic online.

  • I’m obviously counter to the vast majority of people and actually don’t care for the Death Guard models. They are definitely well sculpted, but I have zero interest in playing that faction just as I had little interest in the chaos faction from Dark Vengeance.
    .
    I’m hoping to be able to trade with someone local since I actually like the new space marines. I’m mostly curious how the individual boxes will look. The better proportions should allow for some great customization options. Plus, I can add more pouches. 😛

  • AircoolUK

    Man, they really should have done ‘buy four, get one free’ for those Index books. I’d imagine most ‘average’ players who play a lot of armies, but with fewer models will end up buying most, if not all of those books.

    The only one I don’t really need is the Chaos one, but I do have quite a few Daemons and Daemon Engines.

  • orionburn

    Might seem silly to argue about $10, but was hoping for a $150 price point. Given that the book is $60 alone the remaining $100 towards the models isn’t that bad (and that should pain me to say that) if you look at it as spending $50 for each side. When you consider that a 5 man squad of Primaris will probably run at least $35 (the price of a 5 man Deathwatch squad) that’s a pretty good deal for what comes in the box.

    I already found a guy at my FLGS to swap my DG for his Primaris marines so that’ll pretty much have me set to start a separate army of them. Despite all the hate this week I’m still pumped for 8th.

  • KreskinsESP

    Sure a ruler is nice but seriously, it’s no replacement for the whippysticks. It’s just not the same.

    I like how you get the actual proper rulebook now, even at the increased price.

  • dante13

    And what will us Aussies be charged this time.

    The last War 40k was $165 AU which is a high price but customers still bought it, rarely. (kids parents could still afford it.) If its a lot more here will new customers old and new still bother? It’s suppose to be a stepping stone for getting into War 40k will new customers fit a $200-$300 AU game box? Will parents?

    Time will tell… But the game here is a dying trend with high pricing.

    • Matthew

      I’m in AUS as well, and have been trying to work it out. If you look at the USD costs for these items and compare to other items in USD currently available, I’m thinking the box set will be same price as the Horus Heresy box sets, rule book will be about $90, and the Indexes $40 – $50. Just my guess.

      • dante13

        My guess was similar but then that means its far from being cost effective to start war 40k how many other miniature games start at $265 and go up.. Do they not want to sell to Australians anymore? As i said the games on its death bed here already and i’m not joking..

        • Matthew

          I think we just have to see… at those prices the Indexes wont be much cheaper than current Codexes, and I know they said they would be cheaper. My hope is that ‘new’ GW is becoming more attuned to the market and prices accordingly.

  • Iconoc1ast

    I get confused with the pricing system…. could somebody please tell me the GBP price?

    Most grateful xxx

    • Graham Bartram

      Starter set: £95
      Rulebook: £35
      Cards: £8
      Objectives: £20
      Command dice: £12.50
      Wound Trackers: £8
      Combat Gauge: £6 (or cut one from a bit of plasticard)
      Indices £15
      DI Novel £18

      🙂

      • Iconoc1ast

        Thank you!!!! X

  • Haravikk

    Interesting, but I see no mention of the Sisters of Battle, or are they now grouped under Imperial Agents?

    I’m seriously pissed off about the Primaris marines; space marines are literally getting a second basic model range while sisters are still on 17 year old metal models.

    Okay, I do kind of like the Primaris models visually, but I hate the concept; the idea of marines finally having viable reinforcements again rather than slowly losing numbers is exciting enough, there is no need whatsoever for them to be this marine 2.0 nonsense. Just open up some new equipment options to mix in with existing squads to represent the reinforcements.

    I also dislike that Primaris are two wounds and veteran stats as standard; it means a brand new Primaris can outfight a marine that’s been fighting for hundreds of years. Most likely I’ll just us my existing models with Primaris rules, and maybe buy a single kit eventually to mix in amongst my more boring squads.

    But yeah, do not like the marine 2.0 concept at all, not one bit.

    • dante13

      I like them but the Primaris Assault troops just look jarring to me, its like they wanted to join infinity miniatures but weren’t allowed..

      I hope we get multiple weapon options because those two pistols just look weird and those samurai shoes they wear what on earth..

    • Maitre Lord Ironfist

      Sisters are withing IA, as should be inquistion. (as i said more then one Time) the hope for SoB Plaers is. New stuff (since they said there is more to come, one still has hopes :,D ) will come. Also if SoB can be mixed with keywords together with Inquistion we are basicly back at “Codex: Witchhunters”, wich is awesome.

      The Space Marinesmarines for me are not importand, they look nice but i do not realy care about them. GW doing silly stuff is not something new. I wait how it tourns out or if i just plain ignore them. Somehow GW could turn them into awesome or not. Also in the end it makes the Guardsmen even more Brassballs creazy x) So it is a win somehow :,D?

  • OctopusVolcano

    Did they really list Adeptus mechanicus as a single entity in their official wording? If so is that a sign of them being combined finally? Or is this a case of artistic licence from BoLs…here’s hoping.

    • Graham Bartram

      Interestingly it says “Adeptus Mechanicus” on the Imperium book II as well so fingers crossed.

  • Josh Chestnut

    I’ve yet to see anyone ask… What are command dice? If you look at them closely they aren’t just 6 siders.

  • doughouseman

    I just hope they ship enough of this stuff. The last several releases have sold out early and been hard to find more of. Like Shadow Wars, and the servo haulers.

  • JL

    I’ve never really got into 40k being more of a Fantasy skewed tabletop/RPG player, but I’m using this as a chance to give 40k a go for real as I can get in on the ground floor.

    So I’m going in on a box for sure. If I really get into it then I may do a split for more Death Guard.

  • Xodis

    Prices look awesome, so I might pick up quite a big of stuff on release.

  • stinkoman

    so any update on the codex release schedule? i dont want to buy indexes, then only to be replaced by a codex because faction specific upgrades, then only to be updated by a newer one in a year.

    having multiple armies has never costed so much to upkeep than now.

  • This Dave

    I wonder if those accessories are going to be limited release sort of things or will be available for a while? Not having to buy them at the same time as the box set and the Index books will take some of the pressure off the credit card June 3.

  • Oh the scalpers are going to have a field day with that stuff that will be limited edition.

  • I’ll stick with just the book. I need to figure out what git gud factions there will be to git gud with.

  • vyrago

    I thought the core rules were going to be free?

    *splashes water on face and remembers its GW*

    • In AOS you can get the rules free. Or buy the books. I suspect this will be the same.

      The books will have the point values etc. The rules by themselves will not, just the units rules.

    • Karru

      The core rules (8-10 pages) will be free, just like AoS.

      What isn’t going to be free are the Stratagems, extra missions, “supplements” (Cities of Death for example) and of course Points. For these, you’ll need the BRB.

      There also hasn’t been any official word on if the unit dataslates will be free as well.

  • frankelee

    Nah, probably keep those gaming funds for Kickstarters and eBay. They’ll sell tons and tons of them, so they don’t have to price it temptingly.

  • So how much is this in real money (AKA pounds)?

  • Thalandor

    Pricy… Since I’m not much into the Nurgle stuff, and some of the Primaris are bad (assault dudes), I’ll pass. I wonder if the box could be cheaper without the hardcover rulebook. Was that really necessary?

  • karloss01

    That 40K combat gauge looks really cheap and better be priced as such, perhaps they learned people aren’t going to pay £20 on a piece of three inch metal.

  • PlanetDead

    No mention of Khorne Daemonkin… I suppose I have to to drop the plans for that army then and go to either daemons or some vanilla CSM or if there are any legion rules available other than Death Guard.

    • EmperorOfMankind

      It sounds like you can just use Daemons and Chaos Space Marines together but they don’t get full faction bonus. So lets say I took all Blood Angels, they would they would get Imperium > Space Marines > Blood Angels. My guess you would get Chaos > Khorne rather than maybe Chaos > Space Marines > Khorne.

  • MechBattler

    SIGH.
    Looks like I’ll have to sell half my liver. AGAIN.

  • Aric Delauw

    Questor Traitoris?

  • Penmonkey

    Can anyone explain what the command dice and combat gauge are for?

    • EmperorOfMankind

      the dice most likely to show that the unit has run or it could be related to command points, as in units can only have one used per turn. The combat gauge is to quickly measure common distances like squad coherency. It looks like it has 1″, 2″, and 3″ ranges.

  • dante13

    Zero news on Slaanesh as well.

  • Karru

    Because that was the entire point of the lore. A comparison here would be to look at how Injustice did the whole thing. While not a really a comic book nerd, I still get the basic concept of some heroes. One of the main reasons why Superman never became the unquestionable ruler of Earth was because of his “humanity and innocence”. After Joker made Superman very, very mad, Superman became the unquestionable rule of the Earth because there was no longer any restraints set in place that kept in from doing that from the story’s perspective.

    Imperium is comparable. Current Imperium is ridiculously overpowered when it comes to resources. A loss of a 10 billion soldiers would hardly register as a blip in the endless bureaucracy of the Imperium. They have stupid amounts of resources and manpower which would allow them to basically dominate the galaxy, as they once did back in the golden days of the Great Crusade.

    What always kept them in check was the “religious” explanation. Basically everything that would actually help the Imperium from becoming the rulers of the galaxy is their religious reasons. Inventing new technology is heresy of the highest order. This made the Imperium very “mid-tech” which led them to degrade over time as more and more tech was lost due to wars and incidents. They entire point of the Imperium was that logic wasn’t allowed. The only thing needed in the Imperium of Man was faith and faith alone, everything else was useless. Just looking at the “Messages of the Day” for the Imperium shows this.

    This was the restraint that kept the Imperium from stomping everyone to the ground. Now, that restraint is gone and the writers will come up with frustrating bs explanations why Imperium doesn’t just stomp everyone. Basically, Imperium now suffers from the same problem Chaos and especially Abaddon has suffered from for years. Everything looks good and suddenly something goes very wrong which is then solved and rinse and repeat until the end of days. It is one massive, boring cycle and one of the biggest signs that the current writers in charge of the lore progression aren’t exactly the best story tellers. One of the main “rules” of amazing story telling is attached to the Hero(s) and Villain(s). This rule is “how to make them sound extremely powerful, but at the same time given a good explanation why they aren’t too powerful to just wipe out one or the other instantly”. GW writers failed hard on this one.

  • Talos2

    Gw gives the internet lots to whinge about, and occasionally stuff to get really annoyed about. I’m surprised the primaris marines seem to be getting so much stick, they’re very nice models, which is pretty much what this hobby is about. The game worries me, but the models really shouldn’t be a negative right now