40K: A Wild Primaris Aggressor and Reiver Box Appears

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Time to bust out those Primaris Pokeballs, two new boxes have appeared.

Images via Dakka user Thargrim 7-16-17

Spotted in the wilds of the Internet, amidst an argument about whether or not it makes sense for Guilliman to “throw out his codex a few years after writing it” (from his perspective, assuming that he hasn’t spent millennia trapped in a nightmarish awareness in stasis)–images of the boxed sets for the new Reivers and Aggressors.

So, if any of you were freaking out that Reivers come in packages of 3, but Reiver squads come in 5-10, you’ve got an answer to that dilemma, leaving only the hot dog/bun conundrum to be solved. Also those grappling hooks look radical–though I have to assume the launched one is there more for dioramas and sweet displays, because there’s no way that’s making it through more than like two games before snapping. Still, it looks like another tool in their kit. I wonder if it’s a weapon they can use to increase charge range?

Something like: models equipped with grappling hooks add an extra die to their charge–or maybe they just shoot and auto-charge, though, that seems more like an Ork use of the gun. I could see it maybe affecting deployment–maybe letting them infiltrate or have an extra move before the game begins.

So, these guys look incredible. I love that heavy armor–it’s very terminator-y. Those missile racks look like they’ll be able to have some long range firepower. But look at those gauntlets. Remind you of anyone? Looks like those gauntlet gatling guns are back because a certain someone is impressed with a certain Chapter Master. Yes, that’s right,  it looks like maybe Marneus Calgar finally made dad proud. He must be tearing up a little bit–and if you listen closely, you can hear Cat’s in the Cradle playing over by Ultramar right now. Roboute and Marneus are finally gonna have that game of catch.

Excuse me, I’ve just got something in my eye. I’m gonna go call my dad.

 

  • Those Aggressors are really ugly. I hope those aren’t the new Terminators. But of course they pack a crapload of damage output.

    • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

      It seems fairly likely we’ll see proper Primaris Terminator Armour eventually, so I think it’s safe to assume Gravis Armour boils down to being a method of including elite heavy infantry in the first Primaris release while saving Primaris Terminators for a later hyped-up Primaris release.

      • Dunno what the different purpose or difference between them would be in general.

        • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

          Well, Space Marine releases are no stranger to taking the “new tool for the same task” approach.

          I suppose the Terminators’ teleportation rule combined with perhaps greater role specialisation might give ’em a decent degree of differentiation beyond the whole “2+Sv vs. 3+Sv and +1T” thing.

          • AircoolUK

            With the way Toughness and Saves work now, going from T4 to T5 is a big deal against anti-heavy infantry weaponry (ie, S4 AP 2-4).

          • Chaos_Unbound

            Especially now that negatives to armor are a thing. The difference in a 2+ and 3+ versus a Gauss Flayer, -1 AP, is a 3+ and 4+. But because the Gravis is +1T those flayers are wounding on 5s, a 30% chance to wound, versus wounding on 4s, a 50% chance to wound.

          • Adam Hyndman

            I’ve been discussing this with friends, and see what you think on this one, but theres the possibility that these *are* primaris termies. Heres why: I think GW may be moving away from 2+ saves with their new product line, nothing post 8th release, granted there has been little, so far has had a 2 up save, i believe the reasoning may be: if you up the wounds, but keep the 3+ save, both sides of the combat feel they are accomplishing something. 2 up saves are notoriously difficult to pull from the board, especially if in cover where your -ap shots count for naught essentially; but 3+, some of those will get through. But NOW the models are one point of toughness higher, and one wound higher. Still ard as nails, but theyll take wounds. And the guy firing at you gets to feel like they accomplished SOMETHING rather than just having all their shots resolve into “nah, i didnt roll any ones so they’re cool, try again in 10 minutes”. Rolling dice and just being flat denied is unsatisfying. It feels like youre wasting your time even firing at 2 up saves. So the happy medium, if i were looking from a design standpoint, is to whack up the wounds, and down the save. You still get to feel like theyre ard, and the opponent doesnt feel like theyre just wasting their turn even trying to aim at them. As for the toughness, its the guy firing thats rolling against toughness, it’s not the opponent denying you. As such it doesnt feel the same. You can blame your guys for being crappy marksmen and not aiming for the weak spots, as opposed to potentially getting a bit tetchy at your opponent for rolling nothing but 2 ups all match.

          • Chaos_Unbound

            Id have to agree seeing as the Landraider is the ONLY vehicle I have seen with a 2+ save. The Monolith, Tesseract Vault, and even Knights are only 3+ save models. With the shift to Higher Toughness and ALOT higher wound counts I think they may shift away from the 2+ saves.

            Also I think they may lessen a LOT of the Invulnerable saves in the game because they are currently just too prevalent and too easy to succeed. 3+ Invuln storm shields and 3+ Invuln wraiths are pretty much a impossibility to remove if your army isnt bringing 40-60+ infantry to make them roll massive amount of saves.

            Id bet in the future that Saves will not be the indicator of how well a model can survive but the Toughness and Wound count will be.

    • Andersp90 .

      I think the Aggressors look awesome.

      • lunahula .

        I think the Reiver kit might be a dual kit and we are only seeing the front. I suspect it will have helmet options in the kit along with possibly a bolter weapon option. We will see I suppose, would be disappointed indeed if it lacked at least helmet options.

        Reiver force led by a Primaris Chaplain anyone? 😀

        • IronGryphon

          I think they did the half-helms on purpose, since the three pack comes with a sgt and two infantry, hardly a full squad, you can buy the new box and use the old sgt (or any sgt for that matter) as a regular reiver.

      • UnpluggedBeta

        The aggressors look great… so long as they’re not supposed to be terminators. Those guys are iconic.

      • WhenDidVicesBecomeVirtues

        Not a big fan of the Reivers, they definitely have a gritty vibe which while some people may like, I think it is unbecoming for astartes. I’d much rather see a revamped imp guard unit featuring grizzled special forces with that style/look.

    • spla5hmummy

      I’m guessing you get 10 of each head, or close to it.

      • That’s what I hope. Still kinda ‘impressive’ that none of them has one.

        • orionburn

          Makes me a bit worried too, but maybe they wanted a uniform look on the box. I’m still kind of meh on those guys, but a lot of it is due to not liking that skull with the smurf blue. Hopefully in other army colors they’ll stand out a bit more. Fingers crossed that they do have helmet options for everybody.

          • OctopusVolcano

            Admech boxes have one variant on the front the other on the back. See no reason why this wouldn’t also be the case.

          • CloakingDonkey

            I’m thinking the reason might be that these are the “infiltrator variant”.. Because if you look, none of them have the flappy grav chute wings either. So maybe the helmet version is supposed to just go with those.

          • The grav chute wings are also not part of the easy-to-build-models either. Are they?

          • IronGryphon

            I’m sure they’s stand out a lot better in the colors of the X Legion. 🙂

      • AircoolUK

        As is often the case with GW, the contents of one box can often be made into different units, usually just by using a different head and arms/weapons.

        For example, Necron Immortals can be made into Immortals with Gauss Blaster, Immortals with Tesla Carbine and Deathmarks.

        • But we already know that there are Reivers with either helmets or just facemasks. So I doubt this is a dual-box.

    • Agent OfBolas

      for me and my friends they looks perfect!

    • KreskinsESP

      I don’t like how they look like they’re slouching.

    • Ravingbantha

      These guys are more like Devastators than anything else.

      • Devastators with a 2+ save and Power Fists. Yea, right, that’s what I’d call Terminators.

        • Mağıć Kʀâm

          Except they don’t have 2+ armour saves.
          I think it’s time to move out of that rock you’ve been living under.

          • Eh? That is Gravis Armour which gives a 2+. Isn’t it?

            Btw, you’re really great on personal attacks. That makes you more right than everyone else. Bravo.

          • MeAnd SomeRandoms

            Even Captain in Gravis Armor has a 3+ save so no they will not have a 2+ save 😉

            Cataphracti and Terminator Armor gives 2+ save.

          • Chaos_Unbound

            Gravis is a 3+ save, but it provides +1 to the toughness of the model.

          • Oh.

        • Ravingbantha

          So imagine what the terminators will be like

    • Fab4fuN_be

      For me, gravis aromor is an equivalent of the artificer armor of the classic SM.

      • MeAnd SomeRandoms

        Probably the same material but build for larger bodies to fit them.

  • Rafał Pytlak

    But where is the glorious CATO SICARIUS!?

    • Spacefrisian

      Being all baby eyes watchin at Angus McFive the 41st, glorious leader of the Gloryhammer Primaris chapter.

    • Ronin

      He’s still the head of the Victrix Guard as detailed in the Dark Imperium novel. However, I don’t know if he’s leading the 2nd or not.

      • Rafał Pytlak

        Was he Primarified?
        Or whatever the process of upgrading normal astartes to primaris is called…

        • Ronin

          None of the characters were from what I could tell and that includes Sicarius, Calgar, Tigurius, and even Ventris made a cameo.

  • Horus84cmd

    Oooo stirling stuff. Reivers box of 10 is cool; all the little details and the movement in the bodies really adds to them. I digging the Aggressor; the name is certainly apt as they look really mean – certainly a mobile fire base.

    • Sam Nolton

      I agree, the Reivers are really dynamic looking and have some cool bits. The Aggressors are JUST shy of Centurion territory…I think with some tweaks they could be awesome.

      • MeAnd SomeRandoms

        I’d imagine Agressors cannot take the same beating Centurions can but their damage output might be equal or a little lower for fewer point costs.

  • Hussein Alobaidi

    CQC POSE!!! xD

    • barry sadler

      Notice he doesn’t bend his elbow to absorb the recoil. That’s more of revolver technique

    • georgelabour

      I prefer space CQC. Sadly while they have grenades none of them have crowbars.

      • tylran

        I see what you did there, young Nyarlathotepian .

  • Gustav

    I’d be okay if they turfed centurions now. These aggressors look to fill a similar role but look far more dynamic.

    • Dan Wilson

      Interestingly all previous Primaris have a singular combat role, and they stick to that. E.g. no special weapons or heavy weapons in intercessors unlike jack of all trades tactical squads. These aggressors clearly have heavy ranged support capability but with powerfists will wreck face in cc too.

      • NNextremNN

        I think Inceptors with plasma pistols will be used against different targets than their bolter bros. I still kinda expect them to be options which allow mixing.

  • Fletcher Christian

    Is no one going to mention the Reivers with grappling hooks?

    • Chad Rockey

      Pretty sure there was a Reiver teaser that said the grapples provide +2 inches to charges against vehicles. Off to see if I can recall where I found it.

      • orionburn

        The entire unit gets the benefit? That’s a bit odd.

        • NNextremNN

          Why? It’s not like a rope can’t be used by multiple people.

          • orionburn

            I dunno…it just seems odd on a ground based unit. The grapnel launcher that the Overlords have in AoS makes a bit more sense given that they’re airborne. Maybe if they had hoverboards it would be more believable 😛

          • NNextremNN

            I think this is how a actual grappling hook would work and not how batman uses it.

  • Mud_Duck

    Sorry, the grapple hook isn’t for extra movement, is more a Mortal Kombat Scorpion “GET OVER HERE!” move =)

    • benn grimm

      You could totally convert a Scorpion and Sub Zero from those guys…

    • Dan Wilson

      I think the most likely suggestion I’ve seen is that they avoid dangerous terrain related rolls.

    • SacTownBrian

      Dear god let it be like the Kharadron Overlords grapnel!

    • NNextremNN

      OMG seriously think about this for a moment you could grab units out of cover, closer into shooting range of others and then charge them. I doubt that’s what they do but it sounds hilarious.

  • Fraser1191

    Ooo I really like the Reiver on the far right. But I’d put a helmet on him though

  • Krizzab

    The infinity marines with grappling hooks,… awesome.

  • Thomas

    Aggressors: I like them. Not a fan of the sleek look of most Primaris, but these look chunky and brutal. Like actual Space Marines.

    Reivers: Oh god, why?

    • NNextremNN

      Because Raven Guard … they seem a lot more fitting for some stealthed hit and run action than the old ones.

  • orionburn

    Hoping the Aggressors have some different weapon options. Dual flamer arms would be awesome.

    • Aura1

      That’s what’s in the Dark Imperium novel so I’m fairly certain they’ll be an option as that was written with these releases in mind.

  • Hopefully the Reivers will have better rules than what’s included in the $15 box. They are a lot underwhelming. However, that grappling hook thing gives me hope that there is more to them than what is in the box.

  • SilentPony

    Centurions vs Aggressors…

  • AircoolUK

    I hope there’s a CC version of the Gravis Aggressors as my Lobster Captain could do with some back up.

    I do like the Reivers though. I’ve got the First Strike box (and it’s a gem), but haven’t made them up yet.

    I wonder if the grapnel is used in the same way as the Kharadron Skyhook and move the unit D6″ towards the enemy if it hits? A bit like Spiderman I guess…

    • NNextremNN

      I think they already are the CC option 2 Powerfists + 2 Bolters for I imagine mid or close range (not pistol range). Wasn’t there some mention of flamers in the novel too? We don’t know yet how strong the missiles are but I kinda doubt you will take them just because of the missiles. They might even be optional.

  • Danny Carr

    If they’re boltstorm gauntlets they have and they do look similar that means a squad of 5 Aggressors will throw out 30 pistol shots while also having them missile launchers so what d3 or d6 per launcher? Then they have 2 power fists and the pistols in CC. All with a Primaris statline.

    They’re going to put quite a dent in a boy or gaunt horde.

  • david

    These Aggressors are getting close to looking like the original description of the suit used in the Starship Troopers original novel.

  • Iconoc1ast

    Loving all these primaris releases. I really hope that there is plasma options for the Aggressors though….

    • Wolf-Assassin

      Would love to see that too.Have a look at the Interceptor in the codex teaser, dual wield some sort of plasma weapon 🙂

      • Iconoc1ast

        Yeah i saw that. They are cool as!!
        I am really finding it difficult to stay on target with my growing Nid army and genestealer cult….

        • orionburn

          I’m going through the same thing. Trying to expand my Nids but the Primaris stuff is pulling me in more and more.

  • Wolf-Assassin

    On the warhammer community site page for the new space marine codex you can se a Primaris tech marine and an Primaris Chaplain.

    • Karru

      I take it you mean the Guilmarine Apothecary?

      • Wolf-Assassin

        Yes 🙂 I need to put on my glasses 🙂

    • Horus84cmd

      Yeah as Karru says, surely you mean the Apothecary. I don’t see a Techmarine in any of the pictures; by all means correct me if I wrong?

      • orionburn

        At first glance I thought it was a Techmarine as well due to the arms/equipment on his back. They’ve definitely added some tech to them.

  • benn grimm

    I’m amazed nobody else finds the name ‘aggressor’ amusing. They look kinda cool, not sure about the return of the cyclone on every guy ala the 2nd ed space wolves codex, but whatever, cool>rules. The guy in the middle looks like he’s doing the Thriller, it’s those shoulders; I kinda expect him to grab his crotch at any moment and say ‘hee hee, shamone-nah’…;)

    • pokemastercube .

      there is a legion or 2 that can do squads of cyclone missile launchers in HH, so maybe guiliman and crawl took that as insperation

      • benn grimm

        Tbh I always used to think marines should just carry the best weapons, whole squads of awesome, just like in the great crusade, a few stormbolters here n there were always a bit rubbish. But the fluff said no; the imperium is rotting, weaponry is rare and precious. Now they have magic plot factories that produce magic plot marines and super faerie guns of all description, I kinda miss the old days of rarity.

        • NNextremNN

          Cawl founded a joint venture with the Tau that’s why those thinks look like missile pods and the redemptor plasma gun has coils similar to Tau Plasma guns.

          Also wait for the actual rules before saying things like “cool > rules” and “return of the cyclone on every guy ala the 2nd ed space wolves codex”. You don’t know this yet. It might be true it might be not.

          • benn grimm

            Just said I wasn’t sure about it, I’m not, just as you say, haven’t seen the rules, but they sure do look a lot like cyclones. I don’t need to see anything more to know that cool factor is more important than rules writing at gw. That’s a general statement, not a specific one.

  • So you got a dude with a grapple gun…does he just bugger off climbing and leave his mates behind?

    The belt feeds on the gauntlets look a bit much, I’d have thought they would always catch on something.

    • Spacefrisian

      His name is Parker, battlebrother Peter Parker.

    • shaefer

      His name is Slipknot, he’s known for losing his head though….

    • NNextremNN

      Shoot the hook somewhere tighten the rope somewhere else now everyone can use that rope 😉

  • GrenAcid

    Agressors are ugly as hell.
    Reivers are cool. Wonder if they have more helmets/heads.

  • dynath

    I like the aggressors i just hope we can do something other than heavy bolters. I’ve always been partial to flamers and meltas personally I’d really like to see these guys with something more fire inducing.

  • Bootneck

    I see what they did with those Primaris Agressors. There basically SM versions of Chaos Obliterators. Not quite the weapon selection but who cares – from the looks they can handle every unit variant – infantry/tank then pfist for CC.

    Nerf the Chaos version then steal them for themselves in there own too tall lanky variant!

    • Nyyppä

      They did that with centurions already. Now they played themselves.

    • Horus84cmd

      Ah. The good old “Chaos get nerfed again” argument. Nice.

      • Bootneck

        Wasn’t really an argument, more fact. Oblits are woeful now but that wasn’t my point.

        I was merely pointing out how similar the agressors are to the previous 7th and before versions of oblits.

        But like Nyyppa says, upgrades for the cents. Either way we wont have to wait long to find out if theres new termis etc as the dex will be here soon

  • Christopher Schulz

    Maybe the Aggressors are Centurion like heavy infantry.
    And the grappling hook could allow the Rivers cheaper movement through dangerous terrain and different levels of buildings.

  • Maciek Kiliszek

    Ok, it’s done. I’m making Night Lords from Reivers. Spikes here and there, some bloddy rags of human flesh… should be enough 😀

    • Dan Wilson

      Chaos Shoulder pads and backpacks will go a long way to making them look suitably heretical.

  • Crablezworth

    The reivers look awesome, the other “things” look like they have tau teck strapped to their backs

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  • Matthew Pomeroy

    I keep hoping, but I just really really hate the look of everything primaris so far.

    • NNextremNN

      Except for the tank and dreadnought I really like all of the primaris so far. I would even go so far and say they look more realistic. The old SM stuff was always a bit too much too oversized too big. It fits the old style and was partly made because of productions reasons but I think they matured.

      • When looking at TinyMarines now, I kinda feel like they have no neck. They look squashed kinda compared to Primaris.

    • SWISSchris

      The standard Intercessors and hellblasters I like, stupid names aside, and the chaplain looks neat, but almost everything else looks a bit rubbish to me : (

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        yeah the style just doesn’t seem right. I am sure lots of folks like them but so far they dont feel 40k to me.

  • pokemastercube .

    the gravis armour looks like it is a stripped down agressor, which is probably the case as there is a lot of similaritys in the looks (just remove the missiles and 1 of the gauntletts)

  • SacTownBrian

    Love them all and I’m really hoping the grapnel works like the one the Kharadron Overlords Sky Wardens and Endrinriggers have.

  • North Polar

    The gauntlet guns are just silly. Belt and drum fed? Makes no sense.

    • GravesDisease

      Perhaps it combines two forms of ammunition? It doesn’t look like a boltstorm gauntlet (the barrel is too slender) so maybe its an exotic new form of weapon.

      • Graham Bartram

        I think you are being too generous….. it’s probably just a crappy design.

  • Hugo Rousseau

    Im not personaly fund of GW forcing all kinds of primaris and making vanilla marine irrelevant. You can argue that you dont have to replace all your army with that but that be a bunch of lies. no one is gonna be competitive with old marine. you HAVE to get those. and meanwhile other armies dont get any kind of love except new boxset with same unaltered models. Kinda like they are doing with AOS. SO many Sigmarite models but rarely anything else for other armies. Its kinda sad to see the company is pushing us toward using one army and because its newer you need to start from scratch which sells more model while older army are getting overlooked because they bring less money to them. Lot of people seems happy about that right now, getting new space marine and stuff but when you’re out of your bubble you’ll start to forsee the sad future the game is going toward.

    • Bootneck

      But that’s because SM are GWs flagship product and biggest source of revenue. Unfortunately the rest are just fillers, so SM will always get more love.

      Hence why outside WHW theres a giant Ultrasmurf and not an Elder or Ork.

  • BenTheMan

    Oh my Gawd.
    Those Aggressors look incredible….
    Incredible FUGLY!!!
    Those are the worst Marine Minis since those Space Marine inside a Space Marine, the Centurions.

    It’s sooo sad….

    But the Reivers (what’s that Name meaning anyway? Sounds to me like Reaver but spelled differently to IP it…) look nice.
    I like that Skull Facemask. They’ve got something Punisher-esque.

  • Fab4fuN_be

    Reivers looks awesome, but, it seems to be 5 differents pairs of legs and 5 differents torsos in the kit, 🙁

  • Jack Boland

    the whole line is just terrible. RIP 40k

    • SWISSchris

      It feels very different from the old marines line for some reason. The Agressors look like a 5 year old’s action figures with 17 different guns and 60 attacks each. So much for grim dark.

      • Jack Boland

        agreed, they’ve killed 40k.

        • SWISSchris

          There is some hope. On the model front I’m struggling to reconcile the Aggressors, Interceptors, the new dread and the Repulsor with Jes Goodwin’s previously amazing designs. The fluff however…. it’s going to take a miracle to get it back on track for how like my 40k to feel.

    • bubba9000

      The beefed up armor with the missile launchers on top looks silly. The jump pack troops with big bulbous thrusters and gratuitous metal leg / boot supports looks dumb.

  • Son_of_Corax_XIX

    You do know this isnt Pokemon right? Stop with the terrible article headlines

  • jmaximum

    The Aggressors – looks like the Captain’s ‘Gravis'(sp?) armor.