Shadespire Rumors: The Next 4 Factions Details

There talk out there about what’s coming next for Shadespire.

GW’s shadespire is an all new foray into a skirmish deckbuilder boardgame.  I’m sure GW wants to elbow into the lucrative and large boardgame sector of the industry and the game is well designed to get the job done.  It’s very fast paced, can be learned un under an hour, and will clearly have a deep meta with the continual introduction of new general use cards for deckbuilding.

We already have the first 4 factions out, and the tubes are buzzing with talk of the next 4 factions.  Here is what industry insiders tell BoLS:

  • Look for the next 4 factions to arrive in very early Q1 2018
  • Farstriders (Stormcasts)
  • Magore’s fiends (Khorne Bloodbound)
  • Chosen Axes (Fyreslayers)
  • Spiteclaw’s Swarm (Skaven)
  • Fyreslayers (4 models)
  • Skaven (6 Models)
  • Fyreslayers fill a role similar between the Stormcast Eternals with the ability to emphasize either offense or defense equally.
  • Skaven have ranged weapons and a theme of extra bonuses for supported attacks versus isolated victims.  Beware leaving stragglers alone in the dark when the Skaven are about…

That sounds very very cool and we have already seen some unique abilities and playstules from the Sepulchral Guard – so I have fingered crossed for those Skaven details.

~ Who’s having a blast with Shadespire so far?

 

  • el_tigre

    Soooooooooooooooooooo tired of stormcast and bloodbound. I can accept those in the shadespire starter set, as it lines up with the sigmar starter, but second warbands already? It’s lazy and uninventive to the point it feels a little insulting. I know I’m taking it too personally, but I have sent thousands of pounds GWs way over the years, so I’m cashing in my free whining pass.

    • gregjwild

      Agreed. Just bought the Shadespire core set, but I really don’t have much interest in Stormcast/Bloodbound in the long run.

      Also hoping the separate boards will go on sale soon. I’d like to get some 3-4 player games going soon, and don’t really want to buy another core set.

    • Randy Randalman

      Except these are the Stormcasts Rangers (not featured in the starters) and the Warriors (whereas the starter is just the Bloodreavers/barbarians).

      You can only play one or the other anyway in Shadespire. They can’t mix and match models and cards no matter how many they get. It isn’t like 40k or AoS where “soup” armies can be made.

      • Koonitz

        And yet, here I am, a Sylvaneth player, twiddlin’ mah thumbs, hoping for a branch to be thrown my way….

        There are plenty of armies, people interested in those armies that would love to see some representation. Instead of yet another bloody Stormcast/Khornecast refresh.

        • Vicent Martín Bonet

          I’m tired of this. Khorne got nothing aside from the very beginning and then afterwards got gangbanged by almost every other faction of the setting.

  • MarcoT

    How complete are these boxes? Can you play the game with one, so without buying the starter kit? Does it have a complete (enough) playing deck, tokens and board?

    • Sybarite

      As I understand it you need the starter kit, and every kit contains different upgrades, some of which can be used by everyone, creating an ugly incentive a la X-wing to buy every single expansion out there. Or trade I guess.

      • Vicent Martín Bonet

        Well, they will sell separate boards soon, they said in the last twitch stream.

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          did they say if they will be new boards or is it the core boards available seperate?

      • ZeeLobby

        If this is the case, I’m out. One of the main reasons I’ve avoided X-Wing at all costs. If they at least kept them in faction I’d be fine.

        • joe johnston

          you’re always ‘out’ of everything.

          • ZeeLobby

            LoL. Except all the things I play, but sure, swing for the fences :P. (I’m currently playing 40K, WMH, Bushido and fitting in Descent where I can with my group)

            I’m just critical. I know that butts heads with like “OMGFANBOI” crowd, but whatever.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            which edition of descent are you doing, we are going through heirs of blood right now.

        • Randy Randalman

          Yeah, I’m surprised you even consider yourself a hobbyist at all. 100% of releases, GW or otherwise, always include posts by you drawing illogical extremes you deem conclusions and declaring yourself “out.”

          • ZeeLobby

            How is this an illogical conclusion at all??? If I have to buy other factions to get cards needed to play, it’s simply a game I will not play. I don’t really know how I could explain it any more logically for you…

        • Iain Morrison

          You can buy separate X-Wing cards on the web. Don’t let that keep you out of the game. I play Rebels and Empire, but have no interest in Scum…I can still pick up the cards separately for a reasonable amount online.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. I’m just already inundated with games I enjoy and it’s a personal pet peeves of mine. Maybe one day I’ll have room and get over my grumpy old man complex :D.

    • Luca Lacchini

      None of the above. You need the basic set for playing boards, specialist dice and basic tokens.
      These expansion boxes feature miniatures, relative cards and anumber of “generic” cards that can be used with any faction.

      No easy trick of getting the whole game piecemeal.

      • Malisteen

        guess I won’t be playing shardspire then. I mean, I’ll still pick up a set of the cool looking skeletons, and I figured I might as well try the game out since I was getting that box anyway, but not if I have to buy a whole separate box with a bunch of minis for two factions I have no interest in. Oh, well, I didn’t really think I’d end up liking the game anyway, I’m not much for cards & tokens, so no big loss.

        • Luca Lacchini

          I think it’s really a win-win situation, as the new sculpts for the various factions are excellent – I myself intented to get the Stormcasts just for that reason.
          The game is quite good, and for those interested has a nice price tag, core box and expansions included.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, it’s just a subjective win/win. I personally don’t want either of the two starter factions (I don’t find them all that interesting), and if I have to buy Orks just to get cards to play with my Undead, it’s really a lose/lose for me.

          • Frank Krifka

            To be fair, i wasn’t particularly interested in the starting factions either. But now that I’ve actually sat down and played the game with both, I can say that the starting factions are really nothing like their AoS counterparts. You could very easily sub out alternative models and you wouldn’t even know the faction was bloodbound/stormcast if it weren’t for some incidental card art.

            It’s hard to tell how the other factions will influence deck building, but since competitive decks are relatively small I can’t imagine you’d be absolutely required to buy all them action to play competitively.

          • ZeeLobby

            Just depends how good the cards are, and whether GW knows they’re good or not… I mean this is something FFG clearly understands, and they’ve definitely done a fair bit of milking of the competitive scene because of it. It would be foolish to think that GW won’t do the same. Not sure if duplicates are allowed, but if they are, prepare for the Ork set to have a super strong card that you want 3 of… It’s a bad system to buy into, like games littered with microtransactions.

          • Frank Krifka

            Duplicate cards are not allowed, (although duplicate effects stack). Also Half the cards are faction specific (i.e. only orcs, Stormcast ect ect) and won’t benefit anybody other than the faction they are packed with (so far I haven’t seen any duplicate effects in the generic cards).

            Considering you can only take 10 objectives cards in a deck, and 20 equipment cards in your hand, buying all the sets to get 2-3 “special” generic cards means you’re not super likely to draw those cards in your hand (in the games I’ve seen so far, the most equipment cards I’ve seen drawn in a game is 8; of those 8 only 5 were actually played and 4 were faction specific.)

            On top of that, it seems to far that the generic cards are only “good” in certain situations and vs certain opponents. For example, you can have a card that messed with a opponents defense roll in a big way, but it really only works vs stormcast players and only for 1 activation.

            Granted we’re only in the opening stages, and things may change when the new factions hit the shelves. But so far Deck building looks more like augmentation/customization mechanic rather than one that changes the core method in which the factions play.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, true. Good breakdown. Like you said we’ll have to wait and see. I really hope they do release generic card packs instead. While taking one good generic card over just an OK generic card may seem insignificant, if they’re really trying to sell this as a competitive game it will be significant. The number one rule to winning competitive games is consistency across many face-offs. If having 10 good generic cards results in more wins over 10 OK cards, then people will be vying for those. Knowing GW it’s likely that as the system grows there will be generic cards with similar effects but one is clearly better. If getting that card means buying a faction I’m not interested in, then that kind of sucks… Like I said, I hope they just sell generic packs separately as well.

          • Niminion

            No duplicates.

        • They’ll likely release separate boards sometime soon, like they did with Blood Bowl.

        • Steve Keen

          You can always just play with someone that does own the core set.

    • I_am_Alpharius

      You could “play the game” with one as long as you either have the Core Set itself or someone you game with has the Core Set – for the board and dice. Each set contains everything you need for that Warband; with models, character cards, 29 warband specific cards and 31 generic cards.

  • Marco

    Long live Warhammer Fantasy and the Old World! Long live Mordheim!

    • Sybarite

      Malifaux for Skirmish President!

    • Vicent Martín Bonet

      This isn’t meant to be mordheim…

      • Bakvrad

        Mordheim is dead anyway, died when the first comet hit…

        • Iain Morrison

          So? The Horus Heresy was 10,000 years ago compared to the main 40K setting. They can make a new Mordheim (and probably will) as a historical game.

          • Bakvrad

            So? Still the comet smashed the town and no one except for rats will live there. Warpstone is poisoning the whole town and mutants wander freely through it.
            The town is dead, no matter if Games Workshop does a game about it or not 😉
            ^^

    • wibbling

      Give over. Age of Sigmar is now what, 3 years old?

      • zeno666

        Its suitable for 3 year olds, yes.

        • Alpharius

          Ahaha. What a humorous and intellectual comment. It really added to the discussion didn’t it. It’s always great fun to insult the intelligence of an entire player base because they wish to play with their toy soldiers differently to you. Talk about childish…

          • zeno666

            Not one of my better ones, I agree.
            But thank you for spending the time giving it a reply 🙂

          • Alpharius

            The hypocrisy of the idiocy of pointing out idiocy is second only to the hypocrisy of the idiocy of pointing out the idiocy of pointing out idiocy 🙂

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    • Randy Randalman

      A) This isn’t Mordheim (hint: it’s better); and
      B) AoS has been here three years now and has sold more in that time than WHFB did in its last twelve.

      • Severius_Tolluck

        I wouldn’t say its better. IT certainly is different, and fills a different Niche. The two do not equate. Apples and Oranges, that goes to you and the other poster.

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          more like apples and rack of ribs level difference. But I wouldn’t consider it remotely on par with Mordheim.

          • Vicent Martín Bonet

            Yeah, not that we would consider your pointless opinion either.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            about as useless as your trolling, sounds about right. because yeah boardgames and miniature games are sooo much alike.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Well that is your preference. But again. Mordheim is more appealing to some people for some of the features it had. Shadespire appeals to others for different reasons. They are not the same game, they are not the same genre, they are not the same setting, etc. Point is, for either side of the fence, you can not, and should not compare the two. That being said, I am sure Shadespire due to modern marketing and it’s board game appeal, will probably out sell anything Mordheim ever did, and that is a reality we have to accept. Claiming it is not on par, would be a disgenous statement for various reasons. In any case, I will as I have done for years, continue to use the rule books I have, and the figures I have, to keep playing the game I already have.
            That being said, with Necromunda being re-released, and there being multiple mordheim video games out right now, and various other specialist games re-surfacing, we should be seeing an actual mordheim game reboot soon enough.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            its not on par because its not a miniature game, mordheim is. Shadespire is a boardgame. Shadespire will never be a better miniature game because its not one to begin with, the same way mordheim will not be a better boardgame. Comparing shadespire to other boardgames, its just ok, its not great, its not bad, its nothing “revolutionary” like maybe golem arcana was.

    • Bakvrad

      Long live cheese toast! Eat more cheese toast!

  • YetAnotherFacelessMan

    These aren’t really rumors. My local GW has their copy of the box out for demo and the rulebook lays all this out in the section on “factions of shadespire”.

    • Luca Lacchini

      Well, ranged weapons for Skaven and Fyreslayers game-theme is a thing, but you’re right, these factions are in the rules booklet included in each box.

  • Chris Hateley

    I’ve got the scoop on the next four waves here, guys:

    Wave 3:
    * Sigmarines
    * Khorne
    * High Elves
    * Kharadron Overlords

    Wave 4:
    * Dark Elves
    * Khorne
    * Lizardmen
    * Sigmarines

    Wave 5:
    * Wood Elves
    * Ogres
    * Sigmarines
    * Khorne

    Wave 6:
    * Sigmarines
    * Khorne
    * Khorne
    * Sigmarines

    • ZeeLobby

      Needs more Khorne and Sigmarines!

      • Chris Hateley

        Well you’re in luck; wait until you see waves 7 to 10!

      • zeno666

        Codex Sigmarine 2018.
        I wouldn’t be suprised… they got bolter bows

      • If we say that, we’re going to end up with a Tomb Kings, Brettonian, Halfling, Fishman and Zoat Warbands.

  • I_am_Alpharius

    Well we already new that the Fyreslayers and Skaven were in the pipeline. Very interesting that we’re getting “2nd” warband for each race (eventually – I can’t imagine this will limited to SC and Khorne). Novel way of adding play style variety to the game. One would assume that players will be able to mix and match the various “Characters” to form your own unique Warband along side your Card deck; I would hazard SC will always be bands of 3, Khorne bands of 5 etc…

    • Xodis

      I highly doubt mix n match becomes a thing, thats what AoS is for. There is enough incentive to buy everything (or at least everything for your chosen faction) through card upgrades just like in X-wing.

    • Bakvrad

      Maybe one type for every unit type reasonable

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      this game really needs the rest of the factions in before adding more stormcast and more khorne.

  • Xodis

    Look at the bright side for those who enjoy just a casual game. If this takes off Xwing style we can expect a few things
    1) There will be “generic” cards made with unique art by 3rd parties, so no need to buy Orks for a specific card.
    2) Those just wanting cool models will be able to pick them up from impatient people that DID buy Orks just for a card or two.

  • Admiral Raptor

    Shadespire is the best game I ever assumed that I wasn’t going to like! I’m super stoked to get my hands on the Orcs and Skaven.

    As an aside anyone who’s read the rule book would be able to tell you that these were the next factions, so not a lot of new info here.

  • Greg Betchart

    They need to make thsee compatable with warhammer quest for.maximum crossover

    • zeno666

      Why? Warhammer Quest is better than this board game.

  • dave long island

    Surely the Tarlys are going to be one of the next factions?… lol

  • I’ll get the Skeletons, but that’s it. Cards will go to Ebay.