40K Op-ed: Big Cash Prizes are a Bad Idea

There’s plenty of reasons not to offer large cash prizes for competitive events and only a few good ones.

There’s a new trend in big 40K tourneys: offering up big cash prizes for the winner. It’s a terrible idea.

Look we all want to be winners – but we can’t be.  This game of ours is supposed to be about fun right? Before anyone gets on their 40K high horse – take a step back and say it with me.

“I play with toy soldiers”

“You play with toy soldiers”

“We all play with toy soldiers”

“…and there’s nothing wrong with that”

OK, with that bit out of the way: what exactly are you really trying to get out of your hobby – especially if you think you might possibly be one of the top players in your part of the country?

Do you want to be remembered as a top player by the community?

Do you want the respect of your peers?

Or are you just in it for the cash?

Because if you really care about the first two of those, the big events can deal with that in some very cool ways like this:

When you win the Stanley Cup, you are engraved upon it, forever part of the sport. Then you get a plaque for you to keep forever.  

When you win at the Olympics, you get medals, forever marking you as one of the elite for the rest of your life and they can be displayed anywhere you wish.

Either of these gets players what most really crave – recognition for their skill, and becoming part of something larger than themselves that lives long after the event in question.  It would be amazing to see big tabletop events putting their money into making some truly unique versions of these and building up their own proud traditions.

Cash is Dangerous

Big cash prizes however are fraught with danger.  First and foremost – what’s the point? Once it’s spent there is nothing tying the cash to community and hobby. Heck, even a ton of minis would be better. More importantly – competitive 40K is already having sportsmanship issues.  Do we really want the seductive lure of a big cash prize to lure in the WAAC behavior that will surely flock to it like moths to a flame? When I hear players talking about playing with the goal of taking home a pile of money I worry that the game for some has become merely a vehicle for something darker.

Now sure Magic the Gathering has big prizes, but only under the very tightly controlled control of the manufaturer’s sanctioned events.  Players, rules, judges, and pretty everything at the big MTG events are locked down and everything is closely controlled.

Now compare that environment to what event the biggest handful of 40K events have in turn of structure.

  • Do all attendees sign lengthy codes of conduct, governing acceptable behavior with unwavering penalties for violating them, up to and including lifetime bans?
  • Are judges formally trained, tested and vetted?
  • Are event organizers formally trained, tested and vetted?
  • Are finals games recorded and vigorously judged to ensure legal play at all times?
  • Is all software and other data services used at the event formally tested?
  • Is the event and prize bonded and insured?
  • Are there any mechanisms for “unwinding” or clawing back cash prizes for unacceptable behavior uncovered after the fact?
  • Is the entire event backed by a large trusted organization that is above reproach in the public’s eye?
  • Are prizes fully documented and reported to the government?

These are the types of things that large cash prizes demand to ensure there isn’t even the faintest whiff of anything underhanded taking place.  People already freak out at run of the mill unsportsmanlike behavior. Now think of the damage that can be inflicted by large cash prizes handled inappropriately, and how that could tarnish the reputations of large events if something went wrong.

In short I think that one day maybe some events may have the process in place to offer large cash prizes, but I don’t think the 40K scene is there yet. Until that day comes – play for the love, respect of the community, and hopefully some amazing trophies you can look back on for years. But let’s leave the money out of it.

~Do you think large cash prizes belong on 40K?

  • disqus_yyglaTdo9o

    Playing with plastic figures for money is a bad idea. Brings out the worst in humans.

    • Cergorach

      Playing with anuthing for money is a bad idea. Brings out the worst in humans.

      I fixed that for you…

      • NNextremNN

        This! If tournament organisers want to offer money as prices to attract more players or make it more professional. They should organise/judge/rule these professionally too. If they fail at these and the participants or viewer are mad it’s the organisers fault and no ones else.

        • Valourousheart

          I don’t think that cash vs prizes is really the issue. If there is any reward other than a trophy, you risk engaging the greedy nature of people. And even for a trophy there are people willing to burn down their own town after they win it.

          • NNextremNN

            I’d actually would be more motivated by a trophy then by money.

            I’d love to get a golden daemon because of what it stands for. It’s just I’m too bad for one.

      • Fergie0044

        The love of money is the root of all evil apparently….

        • euansmith

          “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs, and lo’ and verily hath they been know among the cities of men as That Guy.” (1 Timothy 6:10)

        • LankTank

          Yes kids. So if you get money spend it… in drugs! The love of drugs kiddies. Go wild

  • YetAnotherFacelessMan

    Prizes in general are a little silly. I guess maybe I could see like a model kit or maybe even a Get Started! set for the winner…

    but… thousands of dollars? No. Heck no. It’s dice. Just go play craps.

    • NikosanPrime

      Better idea is to design models based on the winners. That way they are immortalized forever and world wide they will be remembered forever as everyone has to play with models based on them.

      • Adelaide Lee Rosa

        Or design a model based on the winners’ request.

        If I won the LVO and got a custom model? I’d for sure pick my favorite squad in my army (Incubi) and think up an awesome sergeant model.

      • briandavion

        that’d be a lot of overweigh neckbeard space marines… just saying

      • Apocryphus

        Wizkids does this with Heroclix. The winner of their world tournament gets to design a piece and it gets released in the following set. Most interesting thing is, those pieces are always the best balanced in the set.

      • euansmith

        Just think of the fun the top players could have modding each others’ minis in to little dioramas.

    • LankTank

      I think it should be a bunch if sponsored prizes with a particular awesome one bought bt the organizer. Game mats, titans etc

  • Nathaniel Wright

    Just have a judge write your list for you.

    In the tournament he’s judging.

    It’s no big deal!

    :^)

  • DaveTycho

    This sounds more like a problem for any tournament organisers than with the 40k community in general. If a tournament (any tournament) is offering out cash prizes, it’s up to the organisers to make sure that there are measures put in place to control any bad behaviour from attendees. If anyone wants to host a GW related tournament with cash prizes, go for it, but remember the responsibility is on them, and if things go wrong the GW community in general shouldn’t take the blame.

    • Mathew G. Smith

      Shouldn’t, but will.

    • HeadHunter

      It wouldn’t be a problem for the event organizers if there weren’t players that would spoil the whole thing for the rest of us. Don’t blame the organizers for that.

      • DaveTycho

        You’re right, TO’s shouldn’t be blamed for any bad behaviour from the attendees. What I am saying is that if any TO’s want to issue out cash prizes then it’s their responsibility to set up and enforce any gaming practices to minimise and stop bad behaviour from attendees, and that is an issue for the organisers rather than the community to deal with.

  • Zirkah

    Develop an event and prize structure modeled off of the Legends of the Five Rings structure from fantasy flight games. Very cool ideas there.

    https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/op/l5r-lcg/

    • Zirkah

      Earn the Hatamoto titles (best in faction title and prize) encourages players to commit to a faction.

      Glory points for a faction gives players a reason to play even when they are not in the running for the overall title.

      Prizes for beating Titled players makes playing top players that much more exciting.

  • Simon Chatterley

    Becoming a “professional” game is fine if the rules and the game itself can support that transition. I don’t think 40k can say that it’s anywhere near that.

    A professional game needs an audience and referees of some sort to ensure fair play. If I’m watching and I’m seeing slow play, cheating or general bad sportsmanship I want someone to step in and sort it.

    But that’s me. Maybe the kids today like watching a car crash?? Who knows.

    • Sir Postalot

      I feel that the game isn’t robust enough for it at the moment, and most local tournament players aren’t professional enough. Two major changes need to be made for me to enjoy it as a spectator.
      – No rule issues. Watching players argue about the game rules isn’t fun to watch and feels too amateurish.
      – More tactical decision moments. Large portions of the game are played at auto play at the moment. The start of the game is interesting as is the end but it would help if there was more room in the game for opponents to outmanoeuvre their opponents in turn 2-4

    • euansmith

      Indeed, eSports work because the games are difficult to abuse. I don’t think that GW has ever written a set of tournament ready rules for their table top games. Maybe Shadespire will be the first example. After all, GW is all about forging the narrative and playing in one of the other two styles, rather than Matched Play. Personally, I’d like a properly balanced set of clear and concise rules I could get pick-up games with.

      • Simon Chatterley

        Shadespire is genuinely the first game by GW I’ve ever played and thought “wow, this actually works and makes sense”

        The effort that has clearly received needs to be put into 40k and AoS.

        That said it isn’t actually GW pushing the drive towards Pro gaming is it??

        • euansmith

          I think the GW design team are smart enough not to want to open that can or worms 😉

  • Kifunk

    Prizes for everyone, big 40k boxes for the top 3, then medium boxes, painting pot, vouchers from local stores…
    Usefull and fun stuff but not money.

    • Sir Postalot

      Does it really matter that much if it is money or store credit ?

      • Kifunk

        In my case (3 tournament per year since 3y) even the last one have 5€ voucher for a local store.
        I think it’s better than money because its for the hobby.
        And the players are happy because they maybe lose every games, but they got something.

      • HeadHunter

        Certainly. You can use cash for whatever you want, but store credit’s going to be used to improve your armies. Which one helps the growth of the game?

        • Grognard

          At the tournaments I run at my local store, we usually give out a troop box for first place, plus discount coupons for purchases. 1st place gets a 40% off a single item, 2nd place 30%, and so on. Participants each receive 15% off.

          Our tournaments have worked fairly well. However, there are some players who, because they’re into the competitive scene and want to pump up their scores, bring that WAAC attitude to the store, which has been harmful to the community overall, as we’ve had a number of formerly regular players drop off in recent months because of that attitude.

          I don’t think large cash prizes are the problem, although they certainly exacerbate it as demonstrated at the LVO. Part of the responsibility for that does lie on the shoulders of the judges there, but without a clear sportsmanship policy in place, I don’t know what they could have done. After Tony did what he did, someone was going to be pissed off no matter which way it was ruled. Had they DQ’d him right then for unsportsmanlike conduct, we’d likely hear a lot of opposition from competitive players, since what he did was technically “legal”, if a bit underhanded. I also wonder if he’d have apologized in the manner that he did if he had won the overall prize. Would he have given it back? I don’t know the guy personally, but I do know that winning does tend to quiet a lot of criticism.

          • euansmith

            ” Participants each receive 15% off.” That is a neat idea.

            “… and want to pump up their scores…” Is it not possible to simply exempt your tournament from any kind of outside scoring system?

          • Grognard

            It certainly is. We’ve run them as ITC events in the past to give another incentive for people to come, but it has honestly become a problem, and so I’m less inclined to do it in the future.

            Interestingly enough, we also run a large tournament with a lot of prize support once per year.

            It’s a two-day event, and although there are prizes for the top finishers (1st place typically gets a starter army), we are also fortunate in that our store and additional sponsors allow us to provide not only a swag bag and t-shirt to everyone, but also everyone gets a door prize as well, ranging from boxed games such as Necromunda down to paints/glue/etc.

            The interesting thing about that one is we virtually never have any issues (*knocking on wood*). I sometimes wonder if that’s due to the fact that everybody knows going in that they’re going to get more than their money’s worth from that particular tournament, regardless of where they place.

          • Erich Schoenholtz

            Agreed. This type of attitude trickles down to local tournaments and can kill communities. I’ve personally witnessed this first hand.

        • NNextremNN

          Neither because it won’t get more players into the game so it does not grow …

          Furthermore it only expands the possibilities (jumping to the next meta) of the winning player while the loosing one unless he/she spends more money from other sources stays at his possibilities (still the same army/models) falls further behind.

          This does not mean I’m against prices it just won’t “help the growth of the game”.

  • Alex Peña Sevillano

    If warhammer event want to be more than a geek reunion there needs to be money involved. Tying money prizes to unfair play it’s silly.

    Also, in both your examples there’s a huge money prize tied to them LOL. And at least in the olympics also a long “tradition” of cheating.

    • euansmith

      I love how the published ethos of the “Modern Olympics”, “It isn’t the winning that matters, it is the taking part that counts”, is the exact opposite of the ethos of the “Ancient Olympics”, which was basically, “Win At Any Cost, Or Don’t Bother Coming Home Ever Again”.

      • NNextremNN

        Sure winning does not matter explains all the doping and doping tests. It just a nice idea they tell so that the loosing participants feel less bad.

        • euansmith

          Doping? Those guys are just WAACthletes! 😉

  • Snord

    There are no good reasons for cash prizes. The language used by a lot of players is already heavily polluted by the jargon of professional sports, which has affected peoples’ outlook on the hobby. Something as imprecise and essentially visual as tabletop wargaming is ultimately unsuited to the level of competitiveness that cash prizes will cause.

  • AmorousBadger

    Anybody playing 40k ‘for the money’ is seriously looking in the wrong place, I’d suggest…

    • NNextremNN

      There are people playing chess (or other boardgames) for money and there are people playing strategy games on computer for money. So what’s the difference with 40K?

      • AmorousBadger

        Have you seen what they charge for those toy soldiers?

        • NNextremNN

          I don’t get how this is relevant. Have you seen what professional sport equipment costs? Or Trainers and medical staff and treatment for athletes? Even E-Sports is already pretty expensive and have sponsors. The winning usually does not cover those costs.

          And even those “professional” sports have have people doing these on a a casual level for fun.

          If there are people who want tabletop gaming to develop in such a direction why not? I just doubt it will work because it has too few fans. I will always be to bad to participate in those things. But I don’t see a problem with such things existing.

          • AmorousBadger

            As a general rule, ‘professional’ sports people’s income exceeds their costs. Hence the word ‘professional’. You’re gonna have be some player(with very deep pockets for start-up costs) to be able to be a ‘professional’ 40k player.

          • euansmith

            Lets try to get Elon Musk in to 40k!

          • NNextremNN

            But this income comes form sponsors or a managed teams. The winning from tournaments usually does not cover your costs.

      • HeadHunter

        Chess is pretty orderly and very well-regulated. You don’t see Kasparov arguing about template placement and Fischer was never known for trying to get ObSec with his bikes.

      • Snord

        Chess involves no chance; it’s rules are crystal clear and both sides are evenly matched. That’s a bad comparison.

        Strategy games are far more balanced than tabletop wargamers. I know there are always some issues, but 2 Scarcroft 2 players of the same skill don’t need to worry about measuring ranges, forgetting rules, line of sight or (most importantly) army list building.

        • YetAnotherFacelessMan

          To be a pedant for just a moment… chess involves EXTREMELY LITTLE chance. There’s still a cointoss to determine who is white and white has an ever-so-slight advantage in high-level play…

          So you could say that chess has an alpha strike problem and that the roll to determine who goes first is an issue… oh lord.

        • NNextremNN

          Both sides are evenly matched in Chess? Tell this White who always starts first. In computer games the computer is the judge and programmers made the rules. Anything that is blamed here on the players is lack of rules and judgement. Was this bad sportsmanship? Yes! Could the tournament organiser had enforced a fixed amount of time to each players to prevent players spending 1 hour on deployment and thus forcing rushed decisions in later turns? They could have but didn’t.

      • Callum Rae

        Decent rules are the difference

    • euansmith

      “I won $500 bucks!”

      “How much did you spend on your army?”

      “…”

      • KingAceNumber1

        I mean, Nick N. walked out of the LVO $4k more wealthy, so… it’s not peanuts.

  • orionburn III

    Larry – can you share what tourneys had cash prizes and for what amount?

    I agree that cash should stay out of the game. Do a gift cert to GW, Black Library, Forge World or a combo of.

  • James Regan

    I’d say that rather than ‘big cash prizes’, ‘reasonable prizes’ could be useful at a large tournament- give something (e.g. models, vouchers, hobby stuff) to a larger range of participants: top 3 placing, best painted in a few categories, best sportsmanship, any additional ‘best general’ stat that differs (e.g. young bloods, given most younger attendees, if they were even allowed, likely don’t actually have a shot at the titles). Make sure there’s a slightly better prize for overall winner and overall best painted, as those are the big competitions, but make the prizes small enough they’re more of a ‘cool i got a thing as well as this medal’- remember that gold medals are worth so much in terms of recognition because they are the number 1 prize on earth as well as a large chunk of pawnable silver (and about 6grams of gold), and so tournament medals are nicer if you get a paint set, or discount off your purchase at a local store etc. But again, many small prizes, not one big one, as this prevents people being over-competitive. Few people will be a complete cheating tool over a $50 voucher or a set of paint brushes

  • Fergie0044

    Maybe copy the ‘golden demon’ competition in terms of prizes, with lots of different categories? Or offer non-cash prizes.

    • orionburn III

      Non cash prizes seems the easiest way to go. There’s an endless amount of things to choose from for this hobby. In all seriousness I’d be more geeked out about winning a full collection of Citadel paints/brushes than the cash equivalent. I went to Warzone last year and they had a lot of winners for various categories. Events should follow suit. Have your main categories for placement, but having secondary things such as best sportsmanship, best painted, most improved player, etc is a nice incentive. When I went to Warzone I had no doubt that I would never place in the top 25% and if I even got in the top 50% I would have been happy. Knowing there was still a chance to win a prize despite not being the overall winner is a nice touch.

  • Sir Postalot

    Paying a high tournament fee in order to allow higher price money has felt too many times like paying one of my opponent to be a jerk. The worst example of this was the last tournament I visited. I lost only 1 game to and I would have won that game based on objective points the next turn if my opponent would not have stalled by rule lawyering. This guy won the tournament and got the price.
    It could be that he still wouldn’t have been a nice guy if there wasn’t a big price at the end. I don’t know the guy nor have I read into the psychology of it all, so who knows if lowering price money would have made things more enjoyable, but it sure didn’t feel good at the moment.

    • KingAceNumber1

      I agree with most of your points, but… this is driving me f***ing insane. The word is “Prize”. A price is the cost of something.

  • BaronVonYoloing

    For once I find a BOLS opinion editorial that I don’t disagree with on some level. Then again I like to play as a filthy casual.

    What I would like to see if there is going to be some sort of prize is for GW to cast an exclusive event model that is only available to those who win at their events (like GT, LVO, SCGT, ect.) so at least there is something other than bragging rights you can bring home with you.

    • euansmith

      Just think, the community could make a commitment to always ask for a new Sister of Battle mini as the grand prize 😀

  • So back in I want to say 1996 or 1997, Magic the Gathering was on ESPN with its championship game and the winner won tens of thousands of dollars. At that point “professional magic players” were a thing.

    At that moment, the fledgling wargaming tournament community (because back in the mid 90s tournaments were a niche if you can believe it) wanted professional warhammer as well. However, GW ran their own GT circuit and there was no cash prize.

    Fast forward to 2005 or thereabouts where GW decides its not running GTs anymore. The indy scene picked up and there was a massive push to get a national US professional warhammer fantasy and 40k tour with cash prizes that rivaled Magic.

    The problem back then was everyone wanted to be daddy and no one could organize the egos and the gigantic ambitions of everyone that wanted to have their name stamped on the GT Pro Circuit as the organizer and so it fell apart.

    The desire to have a professional warhammer tour has been a beating drum in the community since that first ESPN telecast of Magic.

    Its not going to go away.

    There are of course so many reasons why this is a bad thing in my view but I realize that if such a thing comes to pass, and the LVO is already pushing that idea so hard that I feel its inevitable when you see the first $100,000 world championship and Sports Illustrated covers dedicated to it, that what we consider WAAC today will be a fond childhood memory.

    • James Regan

      to be fair to competitive players, when there’s prizes that big it isn’t really WAAC anymore- they’re just the people who do it for fun. With your proposed prize pool its ‘win at costs roughly equivalent or below $100,000’- in wargaming, that’s a good deal higher than the stakes for not being a stalling rules-lawyer with a list based off an obvious typo painted to bare minimum standards, so winning at reasonable costs is also a problem

      • HeadHunter

        That’s *literally* “at all costs”.

    • euansmith

      I can hardly wait for the Sports Illustrated 40k Swim Suit Edition.

      • Commissar Molotov

        They’ll undoubtedly include Orks in monokinis in the name of “body positivity!”

        • euansmith

          I was thinking more along the lines of players rather than minis 😀

  • Drpx

    Do they even make that much money considering what it costs to buy a new army every time a new Codex or Errata drops?

    • Not yet. I believe one of the guys I know that went said it was $3500 this year. Figure an army is going to run you about $500 if you’re shopping around for discounts and then the event tickets and hotel, you might clear a bit over $2000.

      But the money will only grow.

  • Monkeybrains

    Oh good, as if the tournament scene wasn’t cancerous enough (with the help of shoddy rules designed for a beer and pretzel game,) lets throw in some monetary incentive to take a super cool list that everyone will want to play against, and that will result in a fair and not cheesy at all win. The best thing is with money as an incentive, all those groundbreaking super fun lists are sure to find their way to my FLGS and I just can’t wait to use my precious free time congratulating my super cool pro gamer friend on his amazing victory with his unpainted list of doom against my fully painted fluff list of blow.

    • KingAceNumber1

      Or communicate with your opponent and inform them you aren’t looking to play hyper competitive and would prefer a more narrative game, but I know that’s not as fun as complaining on the internet

      • Monkeybrains

        Or realize that my idea of hyper competitive and others ideas are not the same, just because I think Magnus and mortarian in the same list at my flgs against my deathwatch list is taking it too far doesn’t mean my opponent does, especially when everytime he goes online he sees the same three tournie winning lists posted on every forum because they are the only lists with a shot at Winny that money.

  • Adam James Osborne

    Awful, awful example re: The Stanley Cup.

    Guys like Claude Lemieux were mediocre (at best) regular season players… but outstanding playoff guys. There’s a massive list of these players… and they get paid. Huge bucks. Because of that name on the trophy.

    Now, sure, one leads to the next, but lets not pretend that guys like Lemieux and Williams didn’t get “paid” for winning- because they certainly did (not to mention many players with playoff-specific bonus structured contracts).

    • HeadHunter

      I was about to point that out. Professional athletes get an enormous cash bonus for making it to the finals, even more for winning.
      And even Olympic athletes can earn a considerable sum through endorsements and appearances. So no, professional athletes don’t just compete for a trophy and prestige.

      • JPMcMillen

        The key word with Olympic athletes is ‘can’ earn. There is no guarantee they will get any kind of deals if they don’t project the right image, or compete in a high profile event. There are plenty of gold medal athletes in the US that most of us have never heard of, except may a mention when they won their medal.

        • HeadHunter

          Just because you haven’t heard of them doesn’t mean they aren’t enjoying commercial success from their victory. There’s a difference between fame among the general public, and being known in your professional circles.

  • dave long island

    If they allow big money prizes to creep in, then the next thing you know there’ll be groupie chick’s hanging out at 40k tournies, and the one thing we dont want…. hmmmm…. uh…. yknow? The big money thing just might work! I mean, it’s the way of the future. Can’t fight progress and all that… lol

  • CannonBall

    The system isn’t a 100% level playing field of balance across all armies and rulings critiqued down to the core to acceptably add large cash prizes to an event.

    You’re effectively giving some dude a couple thousand because you feel like it.

  • euansmith

    How about making the grand prize for an event, “We’ll paint half your collection of unpainted minis to table top standard”? That would be a prize well worth playing for. Though, if I were to win, my vast deposits of unpainted metal and plastic could lead to extreme hobby fatigue for the team of painters.

    • Andrew O’Brien

      If they just gave me a painting discount or gift card, I would be super interested.

      • euansmith

        In my case, a prize of, “We’ll take a bunch of minis off your hands and give them a good home” would be gratefully accepted 😉

    • Price Vanderburg

      I mean LVO had a painting requirement so that probably doesn’t hold up.

      • euansmith

        I was thinking more the shameful pile of unpainted minis many of us have secret about our homes. If someone offered to paint part of my backlog, I’d be very incentivized to win 😀

    • Sir Postalot

      Half my collection …
      Its time to replace mathammer with decent AI simulations we need to win this.

      • euansmith

        😀 😀 😀

  • Andrew O’Brien

    I don’t think cash prizes for tournys are a problem. The fact that the best of the best football players make millions doesn’t cause kids playing junior/high-school football to be unsportsmanlike, planning on how they can make all the moneys. People who play for fun will have a fun time playing. People who gather for the hobby will experience the hobby. And people who play for the competition will get competition.

    It’s strange that the people I hear concerned about tournaments and cash prizes aren’t usually impacted by the things they are concerned about. Has anyone here had a negative experience at a tournament with a large cash prize that was a result of the cash prize?

  • effinger2

    Prizes handed out at the very first ones in the US ruined the game for players who didn’t attend. I attended the first two and when word got out how you could twist the rules and lists, many local gamers all over switched to the ‘new’ way to play. Good fun Players got soured and walked away. I and and many of my friends lost a lot of interest in both 40k and WFB. WE used to have about 20 gamers all playing for fun and then most reverted to playing dick head style. Our little left over friends never played with those guys again. Best Sportsmanship should be the ONLY prize given out. Play for fun, don’t be a dick.

  • Lebowski1111111111

    Im to crap of a player to ever win cash at something like the LVO, i go to test myself vs other players since im somewhat of a big fish in my small warhammer pond locally. The prize money offers nothing for me and if it exposes top players as pieces of garbage, so be it. Maybe there should be a top general prize, than a overall winner including hobby and sportsmanship in there.

  • marxlives

    I think the article makes a pretty good point. We would expect a big cash prize in a company or association of companies event because they would put a certain structure, requirements, and restrictions in place to properly govern the event.

    But if you have something which is basically a community event that gets a thumbs up from the company but allows the company to distant itself from the event enough to say “hey we didn’t run or sponsor that event” when something comes up, you don’t need big cash prizes. And the reason why is because the event itself doesn’t have the structure and company investment to manage the event properly.

    MTG is a good example of how a big cash prize event should be run, but it is something sponsored by and under the control of MTG and the author rightly points this out.

  • Bigalmoney666

    If you’re looking for an ultra competitive game, 40k is a terrible choice. There’s too many variables and too much grey area, which is why it will never be a game that’s played on a professional level.

    • Commissar Molotov

      Yeah, but then there’s basketball, with the most subjective rules-set you could ever imagine.

      • Bigalmoney666

        The NBA regulations are air tight compared to anything GW writes.

        • Commissar Molotov

          Mmm-hmm. In basketball, the difference between an offensive “charge” and a defensive “foul” is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Even Gee Dub never made a rule with that much “grey area.”

          And don’t get me started on calling balls and strikes in pro baseball…

          • Bigalmoney666

            Fair point.
            Maybe that just means every table needs a dedicated referee(s), which is just unrealistic.

          • euansmith

            “And this year’s NBA championship was decided today by a 4+ die roll.” 😉

  • Bergh

    This is going to be fun, cheating will be rampant! haha! can’t wait.

    And those people who always want to argue the rules, when they are in a bad situation (argue something, trying to have it decided on a 4+ roll, instead of just losing the model etc), will be a sport in its own.

    ohhh, this is how things are already? sorry.

  • Moonman45

    What if the prize was something completely awesome? Plastic sisters :0

  • Erich Schoenholtz

    I always like trophies because while the cash is nice. It get spent and that’s it. The memory fads and nobody cares. With a trophy, you have a symbol of your achievement. I still proudly display all my trophies from 40k events I’ve won.