40K: Piecing Together the Space Marine Release

There’s a lot of info and rumors out there about the upcoming Space Marines. We can almost see the entire release.

Today we are going to weave together all the official pictures and info from GW with the rumors out there to get an idea of what is coming in the month ahead for Space Marines.

First up – this release is about the Primaris Marine range. Just as we saw with Stormcast Eternals, the Primaris range is the new poster children for 8th Edition. GW has shown us glimpses of tons of Primaris models and outside of the codex, not a single “normal” Space Marine mini.

Codex Space Marines

We know this guy is coming and GW even told us what’s in it.

This looks a lot like the contents of an Age of Sigmar battletome. The things I’m most looking forward to are the new Strategems. It will be interesting to see if these are generic for all marines, or if there will be some for specific chapters. This should include all the datasheets we’ve already seen for the default marine lists and the chapters who don’t get their own Codex – plus the sexy new units. If the rumors are correct, I would expect to see larger versions of the Primaris unit datasheets with additional codex options included.

The New Kits

We’ve already seen a lot of the new units and I think we should assume GW will make full boxed sets for every unit type we’ve already gotten Easy-build versions of.

  • Intercessors
  • Hellblasters
  • Inceptors
  • Reivers
  • Lieutenants
  • Ancients
  • Captains (in Standard & Gravis variants)
  • Librarians
  • Repulsor Tank
  • Redemptor Dreadnought

That is already a TON of kits and a major new faction release for GW. Here’s the missing kits the rumors and hints point to:

This decal sheet clearly points to an unseen but rumored:

  • Primaris Apothecary
  • Primaris Chaplain

This picture’s Hellblaster weapon variant supports the earlier rumors that the main Primaris units would be receiving standalone kits with more weapon options:

  • Intercessors (different bolters)
  • Hellblasters (at least 2 plasma weapons)
  • Inceptors (Assault bolters, plus something new)
  • Reivers (pistols & bolters)

The Final Mystery

The Support – Firepower Unit. Rumors pointed to one final unit that is a Primaris version of a terminator-centurion. Something bulky and loaded down with weapons.  The descriptions described them as having twin arm weapons a la Inceptors/centurions and something additional top mounted – similar to a Terminator Cyclone launcher.

Putting It All Together

That would be 13 kits, not counting the quick assembly models and the codex. All in all a very large release.  GW has said the codex is due in July, so I would expect all these minis to be out in the next 2-4 weeks.

~The big question is – would you run a hybrid existing-Primaris marine army, or go all-Primaris?

 

 

  • I wonder if there will be any old style marines in this codex.

    Perhaps it will just be the new Primaris and GW will just say that if you want the old style marines use the rules in the Index book.

    I could see that upsetting some people.

    • NikosanPrime

      Agreed. I have started collecting again for the first time and if I were to find out that the Old Marines were no longer being supported (even if no new models) then I might stop playing. I get that it is all about the New Marines but I am planning on using both.

      If they switch to one only I feel like a lot of flavour / flexibility will be lost.

      • I think its only a matter of time before the old style marines fade out. Having said that I don’t think its any time soon but I doubt they will get any new minis.

      • ZeeLobby

        I mean they’ll continue having the old marine rules for years to come. No reason they can’t just keep reprinting them after all. I highly doubt they’ll ever receive anything new though, and I could definitely see some of the kits eventually being made unavailable.

        • OldHat

          They don’t need anything new. Their whole faction is probably the most fleshed out in the entire game. So much so that we got nuMarines.

          • ZeeLobby

            Playing a faction that never receives new releases is not fun. Just a fact. And nuMarines are a separate imperial faction as far as gameplay goes (at least currently).

          • orionburn

            I do agree with this. We all want to see cool new things to play with. Despite the inventory marines have it will get stagnant over time. Even if it’s updating vehicles old vehicles or coming up with new weapons it’ll add to it. That being said I still feel they’re pretty well set for a good while. And like it or not they technically are getting a lot of new stuff with the Primaris line.

            With armies like SoB that have been neglected for years marine players have nothing to complain about. I do want marines to eventually get something new down the road, but other armies need the love/attention first.

          • ZeeLobby

            Agreed. There’s still a difference between you might get an update one day (SoB) and you’ll never get an update again (mini-marines). Not saying that it’s a guarantee, but I’d be shocked if they kept releasing items for both.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Yes but marines have received more new stuff than any other faction ove the years, and that the NuMarines work hand in hand with them for now.
            I mean.. im still rocking 20+ year old figures with nothing really new coming out for the foreseeable future.

          • ZeeLobby

            True. I mean you just have to accept that you’ll never get anything new again. And Primaris work hand in hand just as much as IG/Admech/etc. Basically any imperial faction.

          • orionburn

            I think it’s a bit premature to take that hard line of a stance. It could very well be that Forge World takes the reigns of premie-marines in the future. It’s not like they’re going to stop pumping out new vehicles anytime soon.

            Personally I feel that we’ll eventually end up with 3 main systems – 30k, 40k, and eventually move into a 50k realm. Maybe at that point it is nothing but Primaris marines. And maybe by then my Nids will have some sort of dayumed Knight sized monster…lol

      • OldHat

        Honestly, Old Marines are kinda still better than nuMarines. And I doubt they will ever discontinue their most popular line of models, especially after the investment in so many expensive high-quality injection molds. Same reason we see Khorne Berserkers and Chaos Marines a decade or more after their release.

    • orionburn

      The marine codex will have everything. It’s not going to be Primaris stuff only. Standard marines really don’t need anything else added at the moment. They have more crap than everyone else, and I’m saying this as a marine player. There are other armies that need updates and/or new units. Marines are getting more new vehicles & troops rhjs summer than other armies have seen in years.

      • I don’t think the old style marines will get anything new, I expect it to be Primaris only from now on.

        I would be surprised if GW didn’t include any old style marines in the new codex. I think as each new chapter codex comes out its old style guys will go Mail Order only, effectively replaced in store by the new chapter primaris. This then might continue until they come back around to an Ultramarine codex and they then put the vanilla old style guys as Mail Order only.

      • Luca Lacchini

        Pretty much positive that any new Marine release will be Primaris-only. No new kits and no rehauled kits (usually the basic troop ones) for stunty Marines.
        As I’m currently running a hybrid oldMarines/newMarines force, strong in fluff (Crimson Fists) and fun in game, I’m perfectly fine with that.
        A Marines Codex without the oldMarines stuff (even just a copy&paste from the Index book) will cause quite un uproar.

        Some equipment variety for Inceptors and Hellblasters is welcome.
        Hope for some more Primaris vehicles that look better – can of worms, I know, but still can’t stomach the diaper wearing dreadnought with wobbly legs and that ungainly frankenstein monster of a grav tank. And people complained about the Taurox and the flying brick Stormraven.

    • AircoolUK

      I doubt that, because there’s still a lot of units of old marines that are useful, not to mention all the vehicles.

      As I’ve mentioned before, GW won’t kill off old marines, it will be the players.

      • I think GW are consciously instigating the death of the old style marines as they are encouraging players to go with the new and shiny.

        Once they feel the Primaris have been widely embraced enough then they will likely fade out the old style.

      • Karru

        You say this, but I still don’t understand how it will be the players that kill Old Marines. Would you care to explain this in a bit more detail?

        • ZeeLobby

          Lol… I think he’s trying to say that if we forced ourselves into buying poorly proportioned and unsupported mini-marines with no new releases, they’d keep them around??? Just like it’s our fault every time the game is woefully imbalanced?

          Yeah. I dunno. I tried. GW killed them. Dunno why people can’t accept that.

          • orionburn

            In a way that is true, though. If people are still buying up standard marine stuff then GW really wouldn’t have a reason to completely kill them off. If sales drop off terribly then they’d have a good reason to start phasing things out. Obviously they are pushing the new stuff (as they would with anything new).

            They may not get the attention that they once had but there’s still a lot of money to be made with standard marines. Not to mention all the FW stuff and the 30k universe. Part of it depends on what you determine killed off means. Completely phasing out rules vs not getting new models are two different things.

            Maybe in 5 years we’ll all be complaining about all the stuff SoB have and how little marines have gotten…lol

          • ZeeLobby

            I mean I’d argue there’s still ways to keep faction purchases going without having to completely trash a faction, and release a faction that’s sorta-kinda the same. I still think they’d be far better off doing year round releases for all factions. I’m sure their current model supports massive faction spikes around codex releases and then long lulls of no sales. I honestly think it would have been cool to split the space marine chapters down the middle in a civil war, and then have unique new units available to only one side or the other. No need for Primaris then… but alas, we get what we get :D.

          • orionburn

            Could still well be the narrative for the future. I know you don’t have much faith in their writing team…lol. When the Lion comes back I think it’s going to make for some interesting times. I’m right there with you on wanting a split with the Imperium. What would make it all the better is if Chaos started infighting as well in trying to seize power while the Imperium is fighting itself all over again.

    • piglette

      I’m glad I waited until now to finally collect some space marines.

  • RocketScience80

    The new Primaris are damn good looking but I will keep my old Dark Angels as they are for sentimental reasons… If I ever buy Primaris it will be a whole new army… 🙂

    • OldHat

      And this is what GW wants. 😀

    • Mr.Custodes

      My Iron Hands successor is getting Primaris because all but the first company went traitor, and they’re finally getting reinforcements in the Eye of Terror.

      • Marios Kontopyrgos

        Theoretically wouldn’t the 1st company be subject to inquisitorial trials? That would have left 0 alive. 😀
        Also please tell me they joined up with the EC and worship slaanesh now

  • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

    The “Firepower Unit”‘s most likely the Aggressors Squads which were reportedly featured in the Dark Imperium novel. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Aggressor_Squad

    • Luca Lacchini

      Primaris in Gravis with support weaponry sound sweet.

  • Karru

    If I were ever to get Guilmarines for gaming purposes, it would be for a whole new stand-alone army. They look completely out of place while at the same time looking similar next to regular Marines that it bothers me too much to do them like that.

    • Marios Kontopyrgos

      That’s what I did. Bought a Dark Imperium as I have a small DG army and painted my PriMar as Ultramarines to go with Girlyman. Now that’s like 1350 points of a fairly balanced ultra army. So from nothing I went to a good size army and extra functionality for Bobute

  • AircoolUK

    Stand alone army only, except for vehicles. Old marines just look daft next to the new ones which is a bit of a shame, but the new marines just look better.

    At least I can get a few cheap character and an Imperial Knight with the bonus of an extra command point with the way detachments now work. That should give me some punch if needed.

  • spla5hmummy

    No mention of the Overlord flyer. Too salty even for BoLS? 🙂

  • Liam Lofty Loftus

    Interesting what they’ll do with Heresy Marine range

    • OldHat

      Nothing? These have zero overlap.

      • orionburn

        That’s for when we get into Warhammer 50k 😛

    • Horus84cmd

      The plastic Heresy kit were only ever done to support FW’s ever expanding ranges. The two HH games were produced to justify the initial out lay of the injection moulds. By having all the plastic power and terminator armour FW can focus on “upgrade” kits. The plastic sprue greatly reduce the long term production cost. Its is far cheaper for FW for do design weapons, heads, chest plates etc.. and free’s up the casting team to also handle more new kits, as they’re not faffing around casting marine bodies. I’d expect to see all the “full” kits disappear over time.

  • Kritarion

    I want primaris with Flamers. Salamanders need some love

  • SacTownBrian

    So is the rumored flyer the mythical Plastic Thunderhawk that we will just never see?

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      The Primaris flyer is supposed to be bigger than the Thunderhawk, I doubt we are going to get it.

      • SacTownBrian

        I would look to the Corvus Blackstar for inspiration on interdimensional spacing. Clearly the Deathwatch have been watching reruns of Dr Who. That would solve the size problem forthwith.

        • Horus84cmd

          None of the 40K vehicles are to scale; especially the flyers – just look at any pilots sized compared to normal infantry. If vehicles were designed “to scale” then a Rhino would almost be Landraider sized!

  • Shatterclaw

    They are supposed to have a flyer.. called the Overlord..

  • Remember Hastings saying old marines wouldn’t be getting any new kits. They should be in the new codex though.

  • RAKSHA

    This is possible they will get rid of old marines..90%..they did that to fantasy now they will do that to 40k ..after so much hate everything will come down and people will play primaris..money making is first priority of any business so dot be surprised if that will happen…chaos will be next

    • Mr.Gold

      the old marines will be so crazy with rage that the Primaris Marines are getting all the new toys that they will turn to worship the Chaos gods, thus allowing GW to continue to give CSM an update, but one that is still worse than the New Marines. it will also allow them to clear out the old stock…

      • Lion El’ Jonson

        Beats them going the way of the dinosaurs.

  • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

    I’m building mine as Black Templars. Luckily, I only need the Dark Imperium Primaris models.

  • Drpx

    My biggest concern with the Primaris is that they’ll become an auto include for marine armies in 8th.

  • GnomesForge

    What a generic super hero bore. I’ll stick with 30k and if that’s not an option just buy recasts or 3rd party. GW has become the Millhouse of gaming.

  • Max Knickerbocker

    I’m starting with the Dark Imperium models and growing from there once the Codex is out and I know what’s available. Building mine as Black Templars. So no librarians. Him I’ll convert into a Mephiston for the Blood Angels.

  • Marios Kontopyrgos

    You guysgot to admit that GW shocked everyone. If you were asked 6 months ago ” which is the most likely model to be removed and replaced?” None of you would have the said the Space Marine